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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Somewhere I read, MacArthur: “[Eisenhower was] the best damned clerk I ever had.” Eisenhower: “I studied acting under him in Washington.” Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Drug Dealer |
My favorite MacArthur quote (so far): "Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons." When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth. - George Bernard Shaw | |||
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Anyone who has studied him knows he wasn’t fearless. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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| Never miss an opportunity to be Batman!  |
Egotistic yes, fearless no. He was guilty of insubordination to two presidents: 1. During the Bonus Army March, he ignored two orders from Hoover NOT to engage the veterans in the Bonus Army Camp. 2. Of course the well documented incident with Truman. Of course he was more politician than a general, he got Lyndon Johnson a silver star for flying as a passenger on a bomber for one combat mission......the bomber Johnson was on turned back well before reaching the objective. Nice to have a congressman and future president in your pocket for a rainy day. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
My favorite MacArthur quote is "What do you mean 'fired'"? Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Bald Headed Squirrel Hunter |
This "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" | |||
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I never did understand why Gen. Short and Adm. Kimmel both lost their commands and were "at fault" for the losses at Pearl Harbor. MacArthur knew (or should have) that the Philippines were next and did nothing and was a hero. Then he was put in command of troops to retake the Philippines which was only done so he could keep his promise of "I SHALL RETURN." I understand that Short and Kimmel could have done more to safeguard Pearl but the whole situation was cluster from the start. Several people from the top down dropped the ball. Short and Kimmel were just the scape goats. _________ Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right. Henry Ford | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
You said it - scapegoats. The depts of the Army AND Navy royally screwed up (as well as the War Dept and State Depts), and they needed somebody to screw over to shift blame. Of course, neither Short or Kimmel were as 'special' as MacA, so they were sacrificed, while MacA got to play god in the Pacific and then as governor of Japan. It was a severe miscarriage of justice. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
How could MacArthur be responsible for Pearl Harbor? In those old days, when disaster struck, someone had to be at fault, get the blame. Not like now when you hurry to retire with full pension, health care, etc. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| KANE CHARLEY 6 |
Dec 7, 1941 MacArthur had been retired from US Army for almost seven years. He was an employee of the Phillipine govt. and had no authority to issue any orders to US Forces, until FDR recalled him to active duty. OLDUtahskibum | |||
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IMO, MacArthur was both brilliant and stupid... His Naval invasion landings at Inchon, where tides are over 30 feet, broke the back of the North Korean Army in September 1950. However, he was later given repeated info thru diplomatic sources the Chinese were going to enter the Korean war. He boasted to Washington that he could easily handle the Chinese. In mid November 1950, some 250,000 Chinese "Volunteers" entered North Korea, traveling mostly at night. They over ran UN forces. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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| Official Space Nerd |
Short and Kimmel were held to blame for their getting caught off-guard at Pearl. macA was given a pass for having the same thing happen to him in the Philippines, but a DAY LATER, once the entire world knew the US was at war with Japan. This was GROSS dereliction, and any commander other than precious MacA would have gotten his butt court-martialed. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
From wikipedia:
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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This. __________________________ "Sooner or later, wherever people go, there's the law. And sooner or later, they find out that God's already been there." -- John Wayne as Chisum | |||
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| Bald Headed Squirrel Hunter |
incorrect. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" | |||
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fugitive from reality |
Marshall reactivat MacArthur in July 1941. I don't know how much Mac contributed to the defensive plans of the PI prior to Dec 8. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
MacArthur was in charge of the PI armed forces before being called back to active duty. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| And say my glory was I had such friends.  |
My ties to MacArthur come through my wife’s parents and my mom. My wife’s father was in the Philippines prior to the start of the war. He survived the march. My wife remembers her fathers nighmares as she grew up. My wife’s mother was an enlisted motor pool driver in Japan. She was assigned to MacArthur. My wife’s folks met in Japan. Her dad was brought to Japan to testify in the war crime trials. My mom’s brother graduated, along with my dad, in the USMA class of 1950. He died six months after graduation in Korea. He was an artillery forward observer. He was a Silver Star winner (posthumously). "I don't shoot well, but I shoot often." - Pres. T. Roosevelt | |||
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| fugitive from reality |
He was an advisor with an almost nonexistant staff. He also didn't start unitl 1935, and hadn't planned to be done until 1946. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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Res ipsa loquitur |
MacArthur was a field marshal in the PI armed forces and over their defenses. There are some legitimate concerns over what he did or the lack thereof but $$$ and support were also issues for PI preparedness from what I have read. __________________________ | |||
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