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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Immigration greater than a tiny percentage of the existing citizenry is economically devastating. This is for high quality immigrants who desire and work to be productive.

Similarly, cultural assimilation does not happen when the influx is too great.

For immigration to be a benefit, it must be limited. It simply takes time for the system to absorb new arrivals. If the immigrants do not wish to assimilate or to be productive contributors, it will never be a benefit.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
Part of the problem today is that a huge percentage of the people coming into this country over the border today are not Mexicans looking for jobs or a better life. It's unvetted Chinese, African, and Middle-Easterners who got into South America and then made their way up through Central America and crossed our border. It's entirely possible that many of these people have ties to terrorism or the Chinese government, but we can't know for sure because they're just pouring across the border, and even the ones we catch are just being released with a court date and allowed to enter. It's a debacle. If you want more details, listen to the Shawn Ryan show interview with Michael Yon about the Darien Gap from a couple of months ago. I have a buddy who works for the USBP who confirmed that they're seeing a ton of non-Central and South American people coming across these days.

I believe we need to secure the border, build the wall, and make people wait outside until they're vetted before we let them in. Once you do get in, you're held accountable and there's no free lunch. You don't get welfare, and if you don't keep a job and fail to provide for yourself, you get sent back. Get convicted of a crime, get sent back. It's a privilege to be here, we get to pick who we take, and we only want the well-behaved and productive. Prove yourself, and there ought to be a simple path to citizenship because if you're a decent person we want to keep you!

IMO immigration of the right kind actually benefits us more than it does these other countries. The US is rotting from the inside out, and an infusion of people with some common sense and work ethic can only help us in the long run. The "home-grown" American industrial labor demographic is appalling. They're lazy, entitled, unreliable, and substance addicted. Where my son works employees regularly don't show up, or leave for lunch and don't come back for the rest of the day. If I did either of those things I'd expect to not have a job the next day, but his boss says if he fires them he won't have anybody, and it's better to have a half-time employee than none at all.

Most of the Hispanic immigrants I've known want as much work as they can get. They work hard and are willing to do all kinds of grueling stuff like de-tasseling corn and commercial poultry farming. A lot of them have some pretty significant skills, too. Some of the best construction guys and mechanics I've seen are first-generation hispanic. I'd rather work with them than most of these home-grown losers who know nothing and can't even show up for 8 hours sober to sit on their butt and count parts coming off the line. Maybe having to compete for your job with somebody who actually wants to work would be the kick in the butt that some of them need.

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Originally posted by David Lee: I feel an illegal should be able to fill your job as well. I see nothing more important about your lifestyle, income or retirement than say, any other working American. Actually, that seems like a stellar thought. We could even save some money by lowering their income.