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I thought no, because it abbreviates 2 different things. Auto loader, and automatic machine gun fire.


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Fair enough, where would these two fit in? Big Grin






 
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Originally posted by jaaron11:
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Originally posted by Woodman:
The non-autos will be revolvers and lever/pump action rifles and shotguns.


To play devil's advocate, wouldn't a double action revolver be a semi-automatic pistol the way that many are defining it here? It "automatically" indexes the next round for you. One trigger pull, one round fired. The only difference is a rotary magazine instead of a detachable box magazine.

I disagree, because the action of firing a cartridge does not automatically load another round into the firing position in a revolver. It still takes a manual action to cycle it. The "one round per trigger pull" is not a sufficient definition to describe the mechanical action of an automatic firearm. Whether it's a sufficient legal distinction is separate discussion.
 
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"Fully or Semi; are they both automatics?"

Yes, they are both automatics.

No, they are not both fully automatic.


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Originally posted by TMats:
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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Some people want to associate semi auto with fully auto to more easily ban semi auto. This is the point of questions like this much of the time. There is an alarmingly large number of politicians who would love to ban semi autos but know the political consequences would hurt them so they don't. That is why the Left works to change the culture by disseminating questions like this for the public to socratically work out. Change the culture, embolden the politician, ban the gun.

Nothing quite as sinister as that, darthfuster. I’m approaching 11 years here, and have made enough posts that my politics should be well known to anyone paying attention. It never occurred to me that a member here would take the question this way; call me naive, I guess
I didn't see this as darthfuster suggesting that TMats was attempting to confuse the terms, but that there are people who DO attempt to confuse them and this is one of the means they use.

Regarding the question, I voted "Yes" because I've read about "automatic pistols" all my life, and none of them were full-auto.

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Piling on...

Automatic = auto loading = uses the energy of the round fired to cycle the action of the firearm to load the next round into the chamber.
 
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Originally posted by TMats:
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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Some people want to associate semi auto with fully auto to more easily ban semi auto. This is the point of questions like this much of the time. There is an alarmingly large number of politicians who would love to ban semi autos but know the political consequences would hurt them so they don't. That is why the Left works to change the culture by disseminating questions like this for the public to socratically work out. Change the culture, embolden the politician, ban the gun.

Nothing quite as sinister as that, darthfuster. I’m approaching 11 years here, and have made enough posts that my politics should be well known to anyone paying attention. It never occurred to me that a member here would take the question this way; call me naive, I guess


Please don't think I was referring to you as "some people". I wasn't. I am indicating that these questions are disseminated by others who do have an agenda. They wish to confuse the passively interested into thinking semi is fully automatic or the equivalent. They are NOT the same. Semi auto AR-15s are so different in construction that one would have to be a machinist and have access to parts not readily available to 'make' a full auto. Not impossible but difficult for the average Joe. Unless you have built an AR and compared the parts, you could be easily moved to confuse the two by appearance only. Add a nebulous definition of automatic and voila' changed culture.



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Semi/Full

Gun automatically strips, ejects, and loads next round.

Full

Same as above plus seer, selector, trigger and BCG that allows more than one round per trigger pull.

Other than releasing hammer automatically I see no difference.



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Of course they’re both automatics.

One is FULLY automatic
One is SEMI automatic

It’s just different ways of being automatic.


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To quote an infamous person, "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is."



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Originally posted by jaaron11:
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Originally posted by Woodman:
The non-autos will be revolvers and lever/pump action rifles and shotguns.


To play devil's advocate, wouldn't a double action revolver be a semi-automatic pistol the way that many are defining it here? It "automatically" indexes the next round for you. One trigger pull, one round fired. The only difference is a rotary magazine instead of a detachable box magazine.

Short answer. No. The trigger pull leads to a dropped hammer sitting on a spent cartridge. Even if you dismiss the idea that the case should be ejected, you still have a revolver that is not cocked above a live round.


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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Please don't think I was referring to you as "some people". I wasn't. I am indicating that these questions are disseminated by others who do have an agenda. They wish to confuse the passively interested into thinking semi is fully automatic or the equivalent. They are NOT the same. Semi auto AR-15s are so different in construction that one would have to be a machinist and have access to parts not readily available to 'make' a full auto. Not impossible but difficult for the average Joe. Unless you have built an AR and compared the parts, you could be easily moved to confuse the two by appearance only. Add a nebulous definition of automatic and voila' changed culture.

Good response, darth. Respect


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Ones Full
One is semi

Both have automatic extraction and loading.
 
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Originally posted by TMats:
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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Please don't think I was referring to you as "some people". I wasn't. I am indicating that these questions are disseminated by others who do have an agenda. They wish to confuse the passively interested into thinking semi is fully automatic or the equivalent. They are NOT the same. Semi auto AR-15s are so different in construction that one would have to be a machinist and have access to parts not readily available to 'make' a full auto. Not impossible but difficult for the average Joe. Unless you have built an AR and compared the parts, you could be easily moved to confuse the two by appearance only. Add a nebulous definition of automatic and voila' changed culture.

Good response, darth. Respect


Respect, brother. Smile



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Originally posted by Copefree:
Of course they’re both automatics.

One is FULLY automatic
One is SEMI automatic

It’s just different ways of being automatic.


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Originally posted by Haveme1or2:
Ones Full
One is semi

Both have automatic extraction and loading.


Correct.

People voting "NO" in this poll, are wrong.


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I find it fairly interesting that more people have voted "No" in this poll than "Yes" considering that the answer to the question doesn't even technically deal with an opinion, or at least it shouldn't.


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