For 70 years, the Kims have stood on the other side of the border, yelling insults and mooning us, but not actually doing anything. They know they can be a pain in the ass without retaliation, but also know that they can't afford to goad us into attacking them.
I agree. But poking the tiger is a dangerous game. Whether you really want trouble or not, you might get a whole face full of claws.
And I think he is crazy. How could anyone grow up in the world he grew up in-- son of a dictator in a bizarre country-- and not be crazy?
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August 10, 2017, 05:47 PM
kimber1911
Trump October 1999 "You had better solve the problem now than solve it later" "Do you want to do it in 5 years, when they have warheads pointed at New York City, Washington?"
Seventeen years later, here we are with North Korea having nuclear weapons capable of hitting us, and threatening to launch them.
What happens later as North Korea expands on it's current nuclear capabilities? When do we solve the problem if not now? Will the problem simply go away, or will we need to get hit first?
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August 10, 2017, 05:53 PM
Il Cattivo
Maybe it does make sense to wait just a little bit. China's making big noises about going to war with India in Bhutan.
Give Modhi whatever help seems reasonable, wait until the PRC gets bogged down in the Himalayas, then encourage Japan, the Phillipines, et alia to retake their territorial atolls and seas, and THEN we start hammering Pyongyang. None of it will be worth a nuclear war to China, and the poor old dears running the PLA won't know whether to recommend shitting or going blind.
August 10, 2017, 06:10 PM
c1steve
Lil Kim reminds me of David Koresh. Insecure guy that would push and push rather than come down from his position.
He does not care about anyone else, and I suspect that he believes that the US will not stop him. Obama would not, but Trump will. I look forward to the day. Go Gen. Mattis, go.
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August 10, 2017, 09:30 PM
Hound Dog
quote:
Originally posted by MNSIG: Have the effects of EMP on consumer electronics and power systems actually been tested/documented or is this another Y2K theoretical problem?
Google "Starfish Prime." EMP is not a Y2K 'what if.' It is a real and very well understood phenomenon. Anything unshielded (ie, all consumer electronics and power grids) will go lights out.
quote:
I doubt that anyone here knows exactly how EMPs could be used right now. And if he/she did know, they couldn't say
EMP is nothing secret. The only secret part is probably just how well our military stuff is shielded and any plans we may have to use it ourselves.
An EMP launch is our worst case scenario, IMO (that is, the worst of the scenarios I would expect). He could launch a nuke straight up (say, 100 miles) and detonate it. He would EMP his own country, but they would be the least affected. The economies of Japan and SKor would be devestated, probably causing a global depression. China would be hosed, too, and they likely would likely be so PO'd that they would wipe the NorKs off the map.
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August 10, 2017, 10:24 PM
Fenris
quote:
Originally posted by Hound Dog: China would be hosed, too, and they likely would likely be so PO'd that they would wipe the NorKs off the map.
That would be a shame. A real shame.
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August 11, 2017, 01:36 AM
gw3971
quote:
Originally posted by MNSIG: Have the effects of EMP on consumer electronics and power systems actually been tested/documented or is this another Y2K theoretical problem?
“Preventive war is like committing suicide out of fear of death.” — Otto von Bismarck
The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of the Communist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflect government policy and can be considered "semi-official".
"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay neutral. If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."
As a student of the history of the Great War, I've read the "Guns of August", and how quickly things spiraled out of control. Caution is needed when dealing with crazies.
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August 11, 2017, 10:11 AM
lkdr1989
Round 1 Trump: 1 Lil Kim: 0
Preview of a possible Round 3:
...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV
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August 11, 2017, 11:41 AM
Il Cattivo
quote:
Originally posted by 2BobTanner: As a student of the history of the Great War, I've read the "Guns of August", and how quickly things spiraled out of control. Caution is needed when dealing with crazies.
There are no railroads across the Pacific. The PRC can prevent the US and Korea from changing the "political pattern" of the Korean Peninsula by conventional force but would essentially throw the baby out with the bath water if they decided to use nukes. There is no tripwire tied to a timeline tied to a railway schedule involved.
August 11, 2017, 11:56 AM
jhe888
quote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
There are no railroads across the Pacific. The PRC can prevent the US and Korea from changing the "political pattern" of the Korean Peninsula by conventional force but would essentially throw the baby out with the bath water if they decided to use nukes. There is no tripwire tied to a timeline tied to a railway schedule involved.
It is an analogy. Of course there are no railroads involved. The point is how quickly and easily it gets out of control when the bullets start flying.
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August 11, 2017, 01:05 PM
Il Cattivo
I was pointing out that it's not a very good analogy, example, precedent, or whatever you like, since (per Tuchman) the European powers panicked when other European powers started loading their troops onto trains that could quickly take those troops to any of multiple potential front lines. There's no mechanism of the sort operating here. The participants essentially choose their own tripwires rather than being forced to be as reactive as the European powers were one hundred years ago in a completely different kind of environment.
August 11, 2017, 02:57 PM
BamaJeepster
Kim is no worry...According to the NY Times, climate change is more of a threat! I guess they think the island may tip over like Hank Johnson
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams
August 14, 2017, 04:16 PM
olfuzzy
Is it time to hide?
On second thought, isn't it already Tuesday over there?
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un has vanished from the public eye for two weeks, South Korean media reported, prompting fears that he may be preparing to mark Tuesday’s public holiday by firing a new rocket.
The last time Kim went days without being seen was prior to the ICBM launch in late July, when he remained incognito for two weeks before making his grandiose public appearance. His public withdrawal comes as nuclear tensions mount between Washington and Pyongyang, and on the heels of the leader’s threat to attack the U.S. island territory of Guam.
On Tuesday, North Korea is set to commemorate the Korean Peninsula’s liberation from Japan at the end of World War II.
Adding to the speculation of an imminent rocket-fire test, last week U.S.-based North Korea watchdog site 38 North released satellite imagery of a submarine base in the hermit country, showing that tarps had been placed above both the fore and aft decks of the Sinpo-class submarine base, presumably to conceal any inside movements.
However, other analysts have also pointed out that Kim has previously disappeared for lengthy periods due to an unknown “physical condition.” Furthermore, his father, Kim Jong Il, disappeared for around six weeks after the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, prompting speculation that he simply may have felt threatened.
Trump vowed last week that the U.S. would respond with “fire and fury” and is “locked and loaded” should North Korea dare come close to carrying an attack on the U.S. territory of Guam. Pentagon officials have told Fox News that the U.S. military stands ready to “fight tonight.”
Pyongyang, in turn, warned that “even a single shell dropped on the Korea Peninsula might lead to the outbreak of thermonuclear war” and that North Korea considers “the U.S. no more than a lump” which it “can beat to a jelly at any time.”
On second thought, isn't it already Tuesday over there?
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un has vanished from the public eye for two weeks, South Korean media reported, prompting fears that he may be preparing to mark Tuesday’s public holiday by firing a new rocket.
The last time Kim went days without being seen was prior to the ICBM launch in late July, when he remained incognito for two weeks before making his grandiose public appearance. His public withdrawal comes as nuclear tensions mount between Washington and Pyongyang, and on the heels of the leader’s threat to attack the U.S. island territory of Guam.
On Tuesday, North Korea is set to commemorate the Korean Peninsula’s liberation from Japan at the end of World War II.
Adding to the speculation of an imminent rocket-fire test, last week U.S.-based North Korea watchdog site 38 North released satellite imagery of a submarine base in the hermit country, showing that tarps had been placed above both the fore and aft decks of the Sinpo-class submarine base, presumably to conceal any inside movements.
However, other analysts have also pointed out that Kim has previously disappeared for lengthy periods due to an unknown “physical condition.” Furthermore, his father, Kim Jong Il, disappeared for around six weeks after the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, prompting speculation that he simply may have felt threatened.
Trump vowed last week that the U.S. would respond with “fire and fury” and is “locked and loaded” should North Korea dare come close to carrying an attack on the U.S. territory of Guam. Pentagon officials have told Fox News that the U.S. military stands ready to “fight tonight.”
Pyongyang, in turn, warned that “even a single shell dropped on the Korea Peninsula might lead to the outbreak of thermonuclear war” and that North Korea considers “the U.S. no more than a lump” which it “can beat to a jelly at any time.”
