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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
From the long ago days when I was the battalion CBR NCO, nukes can be used without downwind fallout. Air burst, in which the fireball does not touch the ground. Hence, no dirt, etc is picked into the fireball and become radioactive.

Used to plot the blast and fallout patterns when stationed in Frankfurt. Huge difference between ground burst and air burst.

Air burst over lil kim's nuke facilities would put them out of commission without fallout. Blast/shock and heat wave would do it.

Wouldn't the blast wave blow everything in the area into the air though, still resulting in fallout?

“The DPRK should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people.”

- Gen. James "Mad Dog Mattis



Thank goodness for President Trump and men like General Mattis!



http://www.foxnews.com/politic...tion-its-people.html

There is little use in discussing what sane rulers might do and then applying that logic to North Korea.

It is called the Hermit Kingdom for a reason. The Kim dynasty is firmly in control of the Army and government. The US state Department aided and abetted by several POTUS have convinced NK that they can get what they want through force. They are isolated enough to believe it.

I believe that with money, which NK has, they can buy guidance systems, weapons hardening and any other designs they need.

Defense intelligence now says NK may have 60 nukes, a couple of years ago NK was thought to not have any or any delivery system. Kim may believe he has to demonstrate by lobbing one into some US city. We simply don't know what is going on in his psychotic head.
Further, no POTUS can take a chance on the SOB.

Has any world leader OTHER than Kim Jong Un ever voiced in clear language an intent on launching nuclear weapons at another country? I know it has been heavily implied before, but has anyone actually said they would attack with nuclear missiles, even preemptively?

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Originally posted by DSgrouse:
Remember China's Primier and Trump had a good time at Mar Largo. Dollars to Donuts, an unofficial aggrement was reached between the two.

This is unlikely because it would have been leaked by now.

Jim

Sooo...PyAWngyang better be afraid



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Originally posted by oldRoger:Kim may believe he has to demonstrate by lobbing one into some US city. We simply don't know what is going on in his psychotic head.

Then what? He celebrates and his sycophant generals stand around and clap while they wait for the retaliatory strike that is certain to kill them? Does he seriously believe that actually nuking the US will get the sanctions lifted?

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by oldRoger:Kim may believe he has to demonstrate by lobbing one into some US city. We simply don't know what is going on in his psychotic head.

Then what? He celebrates and his sycophant generals stand around and clap while they wait for the retaliatory strike that is certain to kill them? Does he seriously believe that actually nuking the US will get the sanctions lifted?

Apparently he has forgotten his history. He should go back and look at what happened to the Japanese when they launched the 1941 version of a nuclear attack on the US and the eventual retaliation, then amp it up to modern times.

Everyone and there brother in law has thought of this, I'm sure including Kim and his people. Are we sure every time Kim's on a podium, it's really Kim. How many Kim-a-likes do you think he has on staff. Do we really have good enough intel in Pyongyang to make this work?

And what happens if we miss? I'm sure the first thing that happens is that Seoul gets an artillery bombardment the likes of which hasn't been seen since WWII. He'll just likely crawl into the deepest bunker he has (which is likely VERY deep) and spew everything in every direction (now including nukes.)

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Formulate a low cost, high probability of success mission to kill him.
Don't waste American lives to invade and occupy the shithole.
And then tell whoever replaces him, to play nice or its Deja Vu all over again.
Korea and Vietnam are great examples of how failing to totally and finally defeat an ememy haunts you forever.

^^^ How would launching either an artillery strike on Seoul or a flurry of nukes help him? At that point there's no reason to not dump some serious munitions on his little head, and keep doing so no matter what the People's Republic of China says.

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Sooo...PyAWngyang better be afraid Roll Eyes

Heh, heh, heh - I just got this picture in my head of Li'l Kim being yiffed to death (in the nicest possible way, I'm sure) by a horde of Canadian twentysomethings.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Everyone and there brother in law has thought of this, I'm sure including Kim and his people. Are we sure every time Kim's on a podium, it's really Kim. How many Kim-a-likes do you think he has on staff. Do we really have good enough intel in Pyongyang to make this work?

And what happens if we miss? I'm sure the first thing that happens is that Seoul gets an artillery bombardment the likes of which hasn't been seen since WWII. He'll just likely crawl into the deepest bunker he has (which is likely VERY deep) and spew everything in every direction (now including nukes.)

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Formulate a low cost, high probability of success mission to kill him.
Don't waste American lives to invade and occupy the shithole.
And then tell whoever replaces him, to play nice or its Deja Vu all over again.
Korea and Vietnam are great examples of how failing to totally and finally defeat an ememy haunts you forever.

This uncertainty of permanently removing him from power requires it to be an inside job from one of his generals. The Chinese will make it known to one or two trusted generals that it will be OK to kill him and everyone will undertand what it means.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
This uncertainty of permanently removing him from power requires it to be an inside job from one of his generals. The Chinese will make it known to one or two trusted generals that it will be OK to kill him and everyone will undertand what it means.

I think that's how it will happen. There are probably quite a few generals who think he should go but don't dare be the one to set it up for fear of being betrayed and fed to the dogs.

It is absolutely sickening how the US media is painting this as Trump's fault and North Korea is simply responding to his threat.

Well at least the good news is, Trump is in charge. Ego vs ego, I'll bet on Trump.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by oldRoger:Kim may believe he has to demonstrate by lobbing one into some US city. We simply don't know what is going on in his psychotic head.

Then what? He celebrates and his sycophant generals stand around and clap while they wait for the retaliatory strike that is certain to kill them? Does he seriously believe that actually nuking the US will get the sanctions lifted?

Look at the good news. His generals get to add 10 more goofy ass campaign medals to their uniforms.

This requires China to play along. They've been backing the Kims for 70 years. You think they're going to stop now just because we want them too?

Let's take this the next step. NK got up on both nuclear weapons and long range ballistic missile technology really quickly. Do you think this was all in house R&D? Do you think someone might be feeding them this technology?

Also, do you think Kim would be getting this frisky if he didn't think China had his back. In point of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't doing this at China's bidding. They may want the west asking for their help in suppressing NK. Maybe they'd do this in exchange for the west respecting their claims in the South and East China Seas, for one possible scenario.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Everyone and there brother in law has thought of this, I'm sure including Kim and his people. Are we sure every time Kim's on a podium, it's really Kim. How many Kim-a-likes do you think he has on staff. Do we really have good enough intel in Pyongyang to make this work?

And what happens if we miss? I'm sure the first thing that happens is that Seoul gets an artillery bombardment the likes of which hasn't been seen since WWII. He'll just likely crawl into the deepest bunker he has (which is likely VERY deep) and spew everything in every direction (now including nukes.)

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Formulate a low cost, high probability of success mission to kill him.
Don't waste American lives to invade and occupy the shithole.
And then tell whoever replaces him, to play nice or its Deja Vu all over again.
Korea and Vietnam are great examples of how failing to totally and finally defeat an ememy haunts you forever.

This uncertainty of permanently removing him from power requires it to be an inside job from one of his generals. The Chinese will make it known to one or two trusted generals that it will be OK to kill him and everyone will undertand what it means.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
This requires China to play along. They've been backing the Kims for 70 years. You think they're going to stop now just because we want them too?

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Everyone and there brother in law has thought of this, I'm sure including Kim and his people. Are we sure every time Kim's on a podium, it's really Kim. How many Kim-a-likes do you think he has on staff. Do we really have good enough intel in Pyongyang to make this work?

And what happens if we miss? I'm sure the first thing that happens is that Seoul gets an artillery bombardment the likes of which hasn't been seen since WWII. He'll just likely crawl into the deepest bunker he has (which is likely VERY deep) and spew everything in every direction (now including nukes.)

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Formulate a low cost, high probability of success mission to kill him.
Don't waste American lives to invade and occupy the shithole.
And then tell whoever replaces him, to play nice or its Deja Vu all over again.
Korea and Vietnam are great examples of how failing to totally and finally defeat an ememy haunts you forever.

This uncertainty of permanently removing him from power requires it to be an inside job from one of his generals. The Chinese will make it known to one or two trusted generals that it will be OK to kill him and everyone will undertand what it means.

The Chinese economy needs the US dollar to survive. They are not geared to any other economy like ours. What happens to the value of our debt that they hold if the value of the dollar drops? Their economy and people and their rich people will feel it.

That's the Chinese motive.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Also, do you think Kim would be getting this frisky if he didn't think China had his back. In point of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't doing this at China's bidding.

Never underestimate the possibility that some hare-brained, egomaniacal little twit like Kim might actually expect that he can commit China by acting independently. The PRC's put up with so much crap over the years that the Kims may have mistakenly assumed that the PRC needs them in order to keep their buffer between China and the American troops in Korea.

I'm thinking this is where Putin could step up and announce any rogue deployment by any nation (meaning NK) against another nation will face equal retaliation from Russia.

He'll come up smelling like a rose and might win him a Nobel Peace Prize.

^^^ Unlikely. Putin's trying to displace China as N. Korea's best bud on the international scene - and trying to do it on the cheap.