Now the People's Republic of China's ambassador to the US is talking out of both sides of his mouth like he was trained to do it at the Beijing Opera.

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China has warned that it will never accept North Korea as a nuclear weapons state, Beijing's ambassador to the US warned, just hours after Kim Jong Un said his country was on course to achieve that "final goal".

Speaking at a Chinese embassy event in Washington DC, Cui Tiankai also called on Donald Trump's administration to stop saber-rattling against the secretive communist state.

Instead the US should "resume dialogue and negotiation" over the stand-off, he said.

Full text at http://www.independent.co.uk/n...ton-us-a7949896.html

Right, Mr. Ambassador. We're going to continue a pointless and frustrating round of discussions that the past two decades have already proven will be a complete waste of time - because you don't want to solve the problem on your own border and you're terrified that we will.

If you "will never accept" what Li'l Kim has bragged that he's doing right now, then I'd say it's time for the PLA to saddle up and make good on what Beijing says.

Or keep your mouth shut when someone else does what you should've done if you wanted to keep your little buffer state intact.

China's Xi is due for reappointment this year. He is probably sabre rattling and maintaining the status quo until after he is reappointed. He doesn't want to appear weak until after he gets his next 5 year term approved.

Then it is anybody's guess what he will do to resolve the NOKO issue.

Isn't that an interesting thought? What does Xi do if the US, say, wipes out an airfield full of NK MiGs in a retaliatory strike before Xi's gone through his big party plenum or whatever? He'd be arguing that he needs the power to perpetuate a problem for the PRC until someday, some how, it all works out in the Commies' favor.

I'd do a riff on JFK and tell the Chicoms that any nuclear attack by N. Korea on the USA, its allies or military WILL be considered an attack by the Chicoms, and we will respond in kind.

Then I'd sit back and not say anything else, but put our nuclear arsenal on high alert.

Blow everything that was capable of carrying a nuke out of the skies as soon as it cleared N. Korean airspace into international airspace.

Lil Kim nuking California may be the only way to save America. It sucks but as each day passes I begin to wonder if such a statement is true.

So do we know what Trump and Mad Dog have up their sleeve ? Ambassador Haley said publicaly that she was more than ready to kick it over to Mad Dog anytime. That's a pretty strong statement to say the least. Rocket boy wants to push it to the limit, but Pres Trump, Secretary Mad Dog, and Ambassador Haley aren't spineless politicians, and seem to see the larger problem of letting it go into perpetuity like all of their predecessors. Since SK and Japan are pacifists and don't maintain a strong military capable of offense let alone defense their own lands, maybe we shouldn't feel so bad about defending ourselves. I say this because they knew rocket boy was going to do it, but they let him do it anyway and didn't say a thing about it. Hell if rocket boy shot one over the US, I bet we'd shoot that fucker down before it reached our shores. They chose their path of pacifism, and whatever we can do to minimize any damage to them if we strike NK, maybe that's enough. Hell they let rocket boy shoot missiles over their heads, and didn't do a damn thing about it. I'm getting as frustrated with those two countries as I am about the whole situation. Why don't SK and Japan kick some of their own ass ? Are they completely pussified through and through ? So what the hell am I missing here ?

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Originally posted by wrightd:
So do we know what Trump and Mad Dog have up their sleeve ? Ambassador Haley said publicaly that she was more than ready to kick it over to Mad Dog anytime. That's a pretty strong statement to say the least. Rocket boy wants to push it to the limit, but Pres Trump, Secretary Mad Dog, and Ambassador Haley aren't spineless politicians, and seem to see the larger problem of letting it go into perpetuity like all of their predecessors. Since SK and Japan are pacifists and don't maintain a strong military capable of offense let alone defense their own land, maybe we shouldn't feel so bad about defending ourselves. They chose their path of pacifism, and whatever we can do to minimize any damage to them if we strike NK, maybe that's enough. Hell they let rocket boy shoot missiles over their heads, and didn't do a damn thing about it. So what the hell's up with that ?

Telling the enemy exactly how you plan to respond is not a sound strategy. The less the world knows the better. The only people who need to know are those allies potentially directly involved.

We've also put pressure on both South Korea and Japan to be pacifistic* from time to time over the last seventy or so years. Trump ran for office saying he would ask our allies to pick up more of the slack when it came to their own defense; if either the South Koreans or the Japanese are actually slacking off then now is the perfect time to start.

*Spell check here says that's actually a word, so I'm going with it.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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Originally posted by wrightd:
So do we know what Trump and Mad Dog have up their sleeve ? Ambassador Haley said publicaly that she was more than ready to kick it over to Mad Dog anytime. That's a pretty strong statement to say the least. Rocket boy wants to push it to the limit, but Pres Trump, Secretary Mad Dog, and Ambassador Haley aren't spineless politicians, and seem to see the larger problem of letting it go into perpetuity like all of their predecessors. Since SK and Japan are pacifists and don't maintain a strong military capable of offense let alone defense their own land, maybe we shouldn't feel so bad about defending ourselves. They chose their path of pacifism, and whatever we can do to minimize any damage to them if we strike NK, maybe that's enough. Hell they let rocket boy shoot missiles over their heads, and didn't do a damn thing about it. So what the hell's up with that ?

Telling the enemy exactly how you plan to respond is not a sound strategy. The less the world knows the better. The only people who need to know are those allies potentially directly involved.

I never suggested anything along those lines. Maybe I didn't communicate my question adequately.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
We've also put pressure on both South Korea and Japan to be pacifistic* from time to time over the last seventy or so years. Trump ran for office saying he would ask our allies to pick up more of the slack when it came to their own defense; if either the South Koreans or the Japanese are actually slacking off then now is the perfect time to start.

*Spell check here says that's actually a word, so I'm going with it.

So what ? Both countries have seen this coming for a long time, and they still don't care if rocket boy shoots one over their heads. If they don't care enough about that, then they shouldn't care so much if we strike rocket boy sooner rather than later. And if they do complain if we do and there's any fallout, then so what, it's their own fault for letting it go for so long.

Don't care or have been asked by the US to not react? It's not like we're in a hurry to have South Korea or Japan decide to kick off a regional war that we would inevitably get dragged into.

Wonder what would be Kim's response if we shot a middle ove his little nation?

China's Xi seems to remind me of Orbummer and Putin on the live Mike. Think Xi will be more "flexiable" after the election?

He won't have any reason to. The big deal about the upcoming plenum (or whatever they call it) is that Xi's bidding to consolidate more power in his own hands. Since the big shots in the PRC are used to working on something closer to a consensus basis, this may be their last chance to limit Xi's hold over them.

Could he be this sly?

I was thinking about the banter with Lil Kim, how he reacts, news reports and the current status of embargo.

Every time Trump makes a comment, Lil Kim fires missiles, stages brilliant displays of artillery and other heavy weapons fire, etc.

North Korea is spending money on military weapons like crap through a sick cat. Reports are that the troops have been told to steal food from farms so they have enough strength to attack. The people are starving and now that has been made worse. For every weapon we test, we have or can build 100 more I'm betting he can't do that.

I'm no General or military strategist, but it seems like the Trump administration is doing to NORK as Reagan did to the USSR. Forcing them to spend more than they can, until the collapse under their own weight. Lil Kim is borderline insane so it is probable that at some point he'll snap and send his troops over the border. I'll bet a good portion pass out after the first 200 yards and the rest would surrender just for a big bowl of rice.

Maybe Trump is just that sly, force the competing business to try and keep up, knowing they'll fail, then swoop in and buy when they collapse.

Our favorite grey kitteh from The Truth Factory's parody on Lil Kim the Rocket Man




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/yO-bsU5RzDM

This is interesting...they hacked the military war plans for the US and South Korea last year!

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v...4001/?#sp=show-clips

North Korea stole US, South Korean war plans: Report

Oct. 10, 2017 - 5:05 - Former CIA senior analyst Sue Mi Terry discusses how North Korea allegedly stole classified military documents from a South Korean Defense Ministry database.

^^^^^
It would be a heck of a shame if those careless US/SK computer guys just happened to include a virus in the Super Secret Highly Classified Plans to Assassinate Kim file.

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^^^^^
It would be a heck of a shame if those careless US/SK computer guys just happened to include a virus in the Super Secret Highly Classified Plans to Assassinate Kim file.

Good idea, but they'd just buy another Dell.

Latest North Korea earthquake a sign of instability at nuclear test site - experts
[Reuters]
By Christine Kim
ReutersOctober 13, 2017

North Korea’s Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site is seen in commercial satellite imagery taken April 12
FILE PHOTO: North Korea’s Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site is seen in commercial satellite imagery taken April 12, 2017. Image includes material Pleiades (c) CNES 2017. Distribution Airbus DS/Spot Image, all rights reserved. Courtesy Airbus Defense & Space and 38 North/Handout



By Christine Kim

SEOUL (Reuters) - A series of tremors and landslides near North Korea's nuclear test base likely mean the country's sixth and largest blast has destabilised the region, and the Punggye-ri nuclear site may not be used for much longer to test nuclear weapons, experts say.

A small quake was detected early on Friday near the North's nuclear test site, South Korea's weather agency said, but unlike quakes associated with nuclear tests, it did not appear to be manmade. The tremor was the latest in a string of at least three shocks to be observed since Pyongyang's Sept. 3 nuclear test, which caused a 6.3 magnitude earthquake.

Friday's quake was a magnitude 2.7 with a depth of 3 km in North Hamgyong Province in North Korea, the Korea Meteorological Administration said. The United States Geological Survey (USGS) measured the quake at 2.9 magnitude at a depth of 5 km.

The series of quakes has prompted experts and observers to suspect the last test - which the North claimed to be of a hydrogen bomb - may have damaged the mountainous location in the northwest tip of the country, where all of North Korea's six nuclear tests were conducted.

"The explosion from the Sept. 3 test had such power that the existing tunnels within the underground testing site might have caved in," said Kim So-gu, head researcher at the Korea Seismological Institute.

"I think the Punggye-ri region is now pretty saturated. If it goes ahead with another test in this area, it could risk radioactive pollution."

According to 38 North, a Washington-based project which monitors North Korea, numerous landslides throughout the nuclear test site have been detected via satellite images after the sixth test. These disturbances are more numerous and widespread than seen after any of the North's previous tests, 38 North said.

The explosion from the sixth test was large enough for residents of the Chinese border city of Yanji, 200 km (125 miles) north of North Korea's nuclear test site, to feel the ground shake beneath their feet.

"The reason why Punggye-ri has become North Korea's nuclear testing field is because this area was considered stable and rarely saw tremors in the past," said Hong Tae-kyung, a professor of earth system science at Yonsei University in Seoul. "The recent small quakes suggest that the test might have triggered crust deformation."

READYING NEW TUNNELS

South Korea's spy agency said recently the North was readying possibly two more tunnels following its latest test, according to ruling Democratic Party lawmakers who had been briefed on the issue.

The tunnel used for Pyongyang's first nuclear test had been shut down after that test, while a second tunnel had been used for the following five, the National Intelligence Service was cited as saying last month. This second tunnel may have caved in after the sixth test, the intelligence officials said.

North Korea has hinted its next test could be above the ground. Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho said last month the North could test "an unprecedented scale hydrogen bomb" over the Pacific Ocean, in response to U.S. President Donald Trump's threat to "totally destroy" the country.

Arms experts say detonating a nuclear-tipped missile over the Pacific Ocean, while seen as the logical final step to prove the success of its weapons programme, would be extremely provocative and carry huge risks.

Another issue that could keep North Korea from using Punggye-ri for nuclear tests the nearby active volcano of Mt. Paektu, Yonsei University's Hong said.

The 2,744 metre (9,003 ft) mountain, straddling the northwestern border between China and North Korea, last erupted in 1903. Since North Korea began testing its nuclear capabilities, experts have debated whether explosions at Punggye-ri could trigger another volcanic eruption.

(Reporting by Christine Kim; Additional reporting by Yuna Park and Haejin Choi; Editing by Soyoung Kim and Lincoln Feast)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lat...-test-041401715.html

Sounds like the threat from North Korea has grown to a "critical and imminent level".