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Here is an article that address some things states have done that improved reading.

https://www.realclearinvestiga...revival_1105099.html


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Surely at least some of those people are literate enough to teach their own kid how to read.
First grade, we used to sit in a circle and take turns reading out loud from our book. I was bored out of my mind at the glacial pace, so I was usually reading to myself, many pages ahead of the group and not paying any attention to where they were. As a result, when it was my turn to read out loud, I had no idea what page they were on, didn't know what to read, was embarrassed, and kept my mouth shut.

Teacher sent a note home with me, wanting my mother to come in to discuss my apparent inability to read. Mother came in, listened to teacher, then picked up a copy of the NY Times from the teacher's desk, pointed at a paragraph at random, and said to me, "Read this."

I zipped through the paragraph, mispronouncing a couple words that I had never heard before. Discussion between my mother and the teacher changed from remedial reading, to how to keep me challenged.



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Just for concept:

Starting at grade 7, they should make each student take an AP like test for each of the R's at the beginning and end of each school year.


Won’t work.

There’s three work arounds (that I know of, I’m sure there’s more).


1) admin spoon feeds the students the questions to the test. For weeks before the test, they teach nothing but the questions on the test.

That’s the most “honorable” of the three.

2) They make it open book to promote equity.

3) if the student can’t or plain won’t take the test, a teachers aid can “assist” them in taking the test. (Read; take the test for them)

These scams have been going on in Kentucky schools for 20 years. That’s how most schools boast a “93 percent literacy” or other pointless award that they give one another.

It’s also virtually impossible to expel a student for discipline issues, or flunk one for not doing their work. It’s virtually impossible to fire teachers or school personnel for even criminal acts. They circle the wagons if anyone questions it and the teachers unions, school boards, and KEA attacks anyone and everyone that threatens their grift. And that’s if they can’t bribe the problem away.


4) the teachers abandon normal class teaching, and concentrate on teaching how to pass the test. This was the norm in Florida, Kids were spending all class on test prep, little or no time on anything like the three R's.

Did nothing for the kids, it was all about maintaining school scores for funding.
 
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The blame is on the teachers and the teachers union. Yet another reason to eliminate the federal DoEd and get school choice. Public schools are more often an institution of failure than an institution of learning.
 
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I grew up in Illinois (not in that area) in a small town and we had good schools. I moved to Texas right out of high school and I was ahead of the others (who were educated in Texas) when I started college. Of course that was almost 40 years ago too………
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^
The suburban schools do not have literacy issues.
CPS does. Napervile, a western suburb has very good schools.
 
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Surely at least some of those people are literate enough to teach their own kid how to read.
First grade, we used to sit in a circle and take turns reading out loud from our book. I was bored out of my mind at the glacial pace, so I was usually reading to myself, many pages ahead of the group and not paying any attention to where they were. As a result, when it was my turn to read out loud, I had no idea what page they were on, didn't know what to read, was embarrassed, and kept my mouth shut.

Teacher sent a note home with me, wanting my mother to come in to discuss my apparent inability to read. Mother came in, listened to teacher, then picked up a copy of the NY Times from the teacher's desk, pointed at a paragraph at random, and said to me, "Read this."

I zipped through the paragraph, mispronouncing a couple words that I had never heard before. Discussion between my mother and the teacher changed from remedial reading, to how to keep me challenged.


I WOULDN’T read, because “only first graders read.” First day of first grade I came home and read the Dallas newspaper.
 
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Mom used flashcards and phonics with us. Either mom or dad read to us every night before we went to sleep.
 
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3) if the student can’t or plain won’t take the test, a teachers aid can “assist” them in taking the test...


This was all the rage in Atlanta for quite some time.



 
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Not sure if I saw it here or heard it somewhere else, 100 years ago America was teaching Latin and Greek in high school, today they are teaching remedial English at Harvard.

I took Latin in high school and for a “dead language”, it really boosted my vocabulary and ability to express myself. As most western languages sprang from Latin roots, it still amazes me to recognize root words that makes understanding topics quickly in conversation as well as reading comprehension.




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The schools are broken both financially and the system.

The teachers of today are overworked and under paid.


Language barriers , parental noncompliance, management complications, even religion on some cases.



Legal and health concerns.

I completely understand why teachers are quitting .





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The education system is broken.

The teachers are hamstrung by the inability to discipline students and are forced to deal with pupils who don't belong in a regular classroom.

15% of students are on an Individualized Education Program (IEP). Hard to teach when 15% of your class is either mentally or socially challenged.

Giving an English test to someone who may not speak the language well results in the scores you would expect.

I wonder what the scores would be if they gave the test in the first language of these students.
 
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Giving an English test to someone who may not speak the language well results in the scores you would expect.


Not necessarily, I was still learning English in first grade and was an A student. Mom used to take me to the library and tell me to pick out 5 books. Next week rinse and repeat. My mother learned English in Germany and she still corrects me all the time.
 
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