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Is there a term or phrase that describes this? (Psychology)

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May 22, 2020, 07:42 AM
smithnsig
Is there a term or phrase that describes this? (Psychology)
To prove their self correct in an analysis of another, they will hyper focus on perceived flaws to convince their self and or others that they are right.


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May 22, 2020, 07:46 AM
bdylan
We call it 'being an asshole'. It's a clinical diagnosis.
May 22, 2020, 07:58 AM
smithnsig
I get what you are saying but this is more of an involuntary action.


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May 22, 2020, 08:07 AM
sigfreund
It isn’t exactly what you’re referring to because hyper focus isn’t enough, and it’s a term from logic: straw man.

The straw man argument is when someone exaggerates another’s opinion into a supposed position that’s easy to attack. I.e., a straw man can be attacked and destroyed with no real effort or danger to myself, so I claim that that’s what my opponent is supporting.

An extremely common example here in the last few months is the claim that supporters of quarantine restrictions are saying, “We’re all going to die!” from the disease. There may be some people who are fearful to that degree, but it’s hardly true of everyone who wears a mask or supports some sort of quarantine measure. But the straw man argument makes it seem that all those on that side are irrational and ignorant of the true dangers of the disease. By doing that, it’s easier to reject everything they say and shout them down into silence so their arguments don’t have to be heard or considered.

There are many other examples of straw man arguments as well. If we’re advised to get some formal training before carrying a gun for self-defense, someone might say, “Oh, who can afford to spend thousands of dollars and weeks away from home and their jobs to exercise a right we all have?” Such a statement would give the uninformed the impression that such training is prohibitively expensive and difficult, and therefore it’s unreasonable to expect anyone to take it.

Something somewhat related is also from logic: the red herring or misdirection argument. That’s another one we have seen here very frequently. If I say I’m concerned about getting sick and therefore take precautions to avoid it, someone might say, “Well, you could get killed in an auto accident, so are you going to stop driving?” That argument is not as blatantly dishonest as the straw man because it is true I could be killed in an accident, but it is a logical fallacy because the two dangers, disease and driving, are unrelated in what we can do about them and other dissimilarities. (Discussing the red herring argument in detail would require more time than I care to spend on it, but it is nevertheless an example of flawed thinking or intellectual dishonesty.)




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May 22, 2020, 08:14 AM
Eponym
Critical

https://psychcentral.com/blog/...ith-critical-people/

<snip> “Critical people are often not aware that they are being critical, because their criticisms are a projection of their own issues onto someone else."
May 22, 2020, 08:58 AM
ZSMICHAEL
There is not a clinical term that describes this behavior. Individuals with Narcissistic personality disorder have been known to do this sort of thing.
May 22, 2020, 09:17 AM
Rey HRH
quote:
Originally posted by smithnsig:
To prove their self correct in an analysis of another, they will hyper focus on perceived flaws to convince their self and or others that they are right.


I call it lack of objectivity... on the person asking the question.

Hyper focus? Or do you mean they’re just persistent and won’t get off the point until you’ve acknowledged it? And I’m saying “you” generically, not in particular you. I’m just responding to the question. Because if I’m in an argument with someone and I have them on a point, I’m not moving away from that point until they acknowledge it.

“Perceived flaws?” The question is: are they or aren’t they flaws? If they’re not flaws, then lay out the argument that shows they’re not flaws. If you cannot, then they aren’t simply “perceived” but are actual flaws, yes?

“To convince their self and or others?” When I’m in an argument, my main audience is the other person. I don’t need to convince myself. But the exclusion of the person asking of the possibility of being convinced they are wrong points to being closed minded about their position.

My 2 cents.



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
May 22, 2020, 09:38 AM
V-Tail
I just asked my wife (LCSW), her response was essentially the same as ZSMICHAEL's (above).

She said that this attribute does not necessarily define a narcissist, but it is frequently one of the behavioral traits found in these individuals.



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May 22, 2020, 09:42 AM
RichardC
quote:
Originally posted by smithnsig:
To prove their self themselves correct in an analysis of another, they will hyper focus on perceived flaws to convince their self themselves

and or and/or others that they are right.




I believe the official psychological diagnostic term you are seeking is "Grammar Nazi."

Here's the chart:


https://www.dhs.state.mn.us/ma...pub/dhs16_197744.pdf



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May 22, 2020, 09:55 AM
46and2
I'm a walking, talking, problem-finder, by default.

I must consciously turn it off, and consciously ignore numerous faults in things, just to get through the day. Stupid things, stupid rules, and, sadly, stupid people are everywhere around us all.

I live, as do you, in a world chocked full of absurdly stupid things and people, many of whom are in charge of things. Frankly, I don't see how everyone else isn't reacting the same, too. How can you stand it?

Does that help?

Big Grin
May 22, 2020, 12:40 PM
Il Cattivo
Some people call it "getting caught".
May 22, 2020, 01:36 PM
Patriot
quote:
Originally posted by 46and2:
I'm a walking, talking, problem-finder, by default.

I must consciously turn it off, and consciously ignore numerous faults in things, just to get through the day. Stupid things, stupid rules, and, sadly, stupid people are everywhere around us all.

I live, as do you, in a world chocked full of absurdly stupid things and people, many of whom are in charge of things. Frankly, I don't see how everyone else isn't reacting the same, too. How can you stand it?

Does that help?

Big Grin


Smithnsig...Im not sure about the proper definition...but I'm pretty sure I just found you one in the above quote.

Big Grin


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May 22, 2020, 02:08 PM
smithnsig
Ok. It’s getting close but it has more of an insecurity aspect to it.

My wife is also an LCSW who basically tells me to pound sand, because she’s off the clock. She’s hot though...


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May 22, 2020, 02:23 PM
Rustyblade
quote:
Originally posted by 46and2:
I'm a walking, talking, problem-finder, by default.

I must consciously turn it off, and consciously ignore numerous faults in things, just to get through the day. Stupid things, stupid rules, and, sadly, stupid people are everywhere around us all.

I live, as do you, in a world chocked full of absurdly stupid things and people, many of whom are in charge of things. Frankly, I don't see how everyone else isn't reacting the same, too. How can you stand it?

Does that help?



Big Grin


In the sense that -- Now I know I have more company -- yes
I often do not 'stand it' in silence. Many think I'm difficult, or intense.
But when they need a hand to finish a project or a thought, they ask me.


Do not necessarily attribute someone's nasty or inappropriate actions as intended when it may be explained by ignorance or stupidity.
May 22, 2020, 02:38 PM
az4783054
a know it all who needs to have the last word? superiority complex?

I'm certain one or more will be respond shortly... Razz
May 22, 2020, 03:40 PM
msfzoe
Anal cranial inversion.