Kennedy/MAHA News
A MAHA meetup with the titans of the food industry


ROBERT W MALONE MD, MS
MAR 10, 2025
It is reported that Sec. RFK. Jr. is meeting with the titans of the food manufacturing industry (including General Mills and PepsiCo) today about the possibility of removing some of the chemical food additives found in packaged foods and discussing seed oils in food. As to be expected, USAID funded Politico’s spin is that - horrors of horrors - the food industry might actually go along with some of Kennedy’s recommendations, hence removing “science” from “food science.” According to the Politico reporter, that would be a recipe for disaster. Their concluding remarks contain the following quote from the assumed HHS leaker that gave them the inside scoop about this meeting:
“There is a major concern that [CBA is] going to agree, as major industry players, to things that eliminate science from the FDA,” it’s “entirely possible the CEOs fall over themselves to agree to whatever MAHA asks them to do.” - from a Government leaker
With government officials working for Kennedy and Trump like this leaker, who needs enemies?

Removing seed oils from food will be a significant issue for food manufacturers and big ag. They know this and are pulling out all the stops to impede Kennedy’s agenda to eliminate or decrease their usage. These measures included lobbying efforts aimed directly at RFK’s nomination.
For instance, a source informed me that (R) Senator Roger Marshall, MD, of Kansas was set against Kennedy’s nomination as Secretary of HHS, not because of his stance on vaccines but because of pressure from seed-oil farmers in Kansas (basically “Big Ag”). Only after operatives carefully crafted Kennedy’s position regarding seed oils, could Senator Marshall then vote for him.
The seed oil market is estimated to reach USD 335 billion this year. Due to the increasing demand for seed oils, population growth and changing dietary habits are expected to continue driving up seed oil production. Under Biden, the government’s nudging and research dollars focused on increasing plant-based diets, largely favoring processed foods, reached a frenzy. These plant-based foods almost universally rely on seed oils for fat.


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What's so bad about seed oils?

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Originally posted by egregore:
What's so bad about seed oils?

The unhealthy ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 promote many diseases, including cardiovascular disease, cancer, and inflammatory and autoimmune diseases.

Healthy omega 6 to omega 3 ratio is 2:1 to 4:1. When comparing ratios:

Seed oils - Sesame is 138:1, Safflower is 133:1, Sunflower is 40:1, etc.

In contrast Grass fed beef tallow is 1.4:1, but grain fed is 16:1

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Excerpt from article posted by tatortodd:

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Several sources of information suggest that human beings evolved on a diet with a ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 essential fatty acids (EFA) of approximately 1 whereas in Western diets the ratio is 15/1-16.7/1. Western diets are deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, and have excessive amounts of omega-6 fatty acids compared with the diet on which human beings evolved and their genetic patterns were established. Excessive amounts of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) and a very high omega-6/omega-3 ratio, as is found in today's Western diets, promote the pathogenesis of many diseases, including cardiovascular disease, cancer, and inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, whereas increased levels of omega-3 PUFA (a low omega-6/omega-3 ratio) exert suppressive effects.

I don't use these oils in cooking anyway, preferring olive and avocado, and sparingly even then. And when I want plant-based food, I eat the plant.

How does peanut oil fit in?

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I have been reading conflicting information about seed oils and think there might be much bigger fish to fry. It is hard to trust much of what we read about such since so much past demonization of certain foods that has proven to be false or even worse. Certainly people should be encouraged to get more Omega 3 from food or supplements.

It has gotten to the point that a lot of people treat high fructose corn syrup as rat poison but most of it has just a little bit more fructose than table sugar.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/...-reasons-to-eat-them

"The "Hateful Eight" may sound like an old-time Western movie, but this showdown doesn't involve cowboys or horses or even guns. It's a battle over the supposed dangers posed by eight seed oils – canola, corn, cottonseed, grapeseed, soy, rice bran, sunflower and safflower – and it's being fought on social media.

To listen to some people on TikTok, YouTube or any of a number of podcasts, the oil extracted from these plants is poisoning us. But is it, really?

"It's so odd that the internet has gone wild demonizing these things," said Dr. Christopher Gardner, a professor of medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine in California and a nutrition scientist at the Stanford Prevention Research Center. "They are not to be feared."

The misleading charge is that seed oils are high in omega-6 fatty acids that break down into toxins when used for cooking, causing inflammation, weakening the immune system, and contributing to chronic illnesses.

That argument is flawed in numerous ways, Gardner said.

First, while seed oils do contain high levels of omega-6 fatty acids, that's not a bad thing. Omega-6 is a polyunsaturated fat the body needs but cannot produce itself, so it must get it from foods. Polyunsaturated fats help the body reduce bad cholesterol, lowering the risk for heart disease and stroke. The American Heart Association supports the inclusion of omega-6 fatty acids as part of a healthy diet.

Omega-6 gets unfairly demonized because it appears to play a smaller role in reducing cardiovascular risk than omega-3, another polyunsaturated fat also found in some plant oils, as well as fish, Gardner said. The Western diet typically includes much higher amounts of omega-6 fatty acids than omega-3s, but research on the optimal balance between the two remains unclear.

That doesn't mean omega-6 is bad for you, Gardner said. "It's just that omega-3s are better."

And while omega-6 is pro-inflammatory, the amount of inflammation it's associated with has not been shown to be harmful, he said.

Critics say people often don't realize they're eating seed oils because of the many processed foods that contain them. Gardner said the real concern should be overeating ultra-processed foods, which may contain harmful ingredients such as high-fructose corn syrup, added sugar and sodium.

Seed oils aren't the problem in those foods, he said. "It's hard to cast the blame on the seed oils when these foods contain so many other things."

Negative buzz also surrounds the way seed oils are typically produced. Rather than simply pressing the seeds to extract the oil – the way olives are pressed to produce olive oil – seeds go through processing to extract their oils.

However, if people use seed oils to cook or complement otherwise healthy meals – such as stir-frying vegetables with sesame oil or lightly dressing a salad with sunflower oil – the benefits far outweigh any potential health risks, Gardner said.

"People are cooking with these oils, not drinking them," he said. "In a situation where you need some kind of fat for cooking or food preparation, you can use plant oils or you can use butter or lard. Very consistently, all the data say butter and lard are bad for our hearts. And studies show swapping out saturated fats and replacing them with unsaturated fats lowers the risk for heart disease."

While it may be preferable to cook with olive oil – a key component of the Mediterranean diet, which studies have consistently associated with a lower risk for cardiovascular disease – that's not going to add the right flavor to every type of food, Gardner said. When making a vegetable stir-fry, for example, he said he would use toasted sesame oil.

"And if it means that because you did that, that you're going to have the veggie stir-fry and the salad and you're going to eat more of it because of the flavor? Fantastic," he said. "The seed oils are not killing you. They are helping you enjoy more healthy foods."

Eat It or Leave It? is an American Heart Association News series that takes a closer look at the health benefits and drawbacks of specific foods and drinks."

So much literature out there. From what I gather, it's the process and the chemicals used in making seed oils, like hexane, that is bad, rather than the actual seed oil itself. In addition, politics can promote certain oils, even though they are unhealthy for you. Like corn oil. Gotta create demand for the corn industry and all that. There's thousands of videos out there with this info, but here are two that I just pulled in a quick search.





I've cut out all sugars, starches, carbs and bad oils from my diet and have lost 50 pounds since September. My heart palpitations are gone and my blood pressure is down.

Tony.

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Originally posted by egregore:

I agree. It's much safer to just stop eating altogether. Maybe drink more beer though.

It should be obvious not to do this:



But how many times has, for example, cholesterol in eggs been flip-flopped on? Who's to say this omega-fatty- acid-whatever ratio business won't be in a few years?

Exercise is something that more people could use. I'm finding this out myself, having gone from a physically active job, with lots of walking, kneeling, scrunching, climbing and weight lifting, to more or less sedentary. The transient ischemic attacks (fancy way of saying "mini-stroke") I had less than a month into retirement, putting everything I wanted to do under a cloud, didn't help.

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Originally posted by benny6:
So much literature out there. From what I gather, it's the process and the chemicals used in making seed oils, like hexane, that is bad, rather than the actual seed oil itself. In addition, politics can promote certain oils, even though they are unhealthy for you. Like corn oil. Gotta create demand for the corn industry and all that. There's thousands of videos out there with this info, but here are two that I just pulled in a quick search.

I've cut out all sugars, starches, carbs and bad oils from my diet and have lost 50 pounds since September. My heart palpitations are gone and my blood pressure is down.

Tony.

Good for you Benny6 but possibly you losing the 50 excess pounds has a lot more to do with your heart health improving than just not eating those foods.

I eat sugars, starches, carbs, and bad seed oils with no ill effect but I am at a healthy weight, strength train regularly, and don't eat much of those eating more protein and healthy fats. I don't take any prescription meds either. At age of 73 my BP is good and my resting heart rate is in the mid 50s.

I do not trust anything that the government has told me is healthy since I was a kid growing up int eh 70’s and 80’s. Most of it was said to make companies money.

It behooves everyone to do research, listen to those that are in the know. There is plenty of info on the innerwebs and lots of evidence of how unhealthy the diet our govt pushed was to us.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
I do not trust anything that the government has told me is healthy since I was a kid growing up int eh 70’s and 80’s. Most of it was said to make companies money.

It behooves everyone to do research, listen to those that are in the know. There is plenty of info on the innerwebs and lots of evidence of how unhealthy the diet our govt pushed was to us.

Allegedly Kellogs had a big hand in that and used it to protect their interests.

Years back my doctor convinced me to go low salt, low fat, and low cholesterol which I have since modified a few years back. We need healthy fats and cholesterol in our diets and I now eat 2 eggs a day after largely avoiding them before. Eggs have "good cholesterol" and is needed for healthy testosterone levels. Salt/sodium is critical for our health too and not enough is probably worse than too much, at least it was for me.

Problem now is the radical green idiots are trying to shape our diets to "save the planet". Some have even been pushing an agenda that too much protein is bad for you.

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Originally posted by benny6:
I've cut out all sugars, starches, carbs and bad oils from my diet and have lost 50 pounds since September. My heart palpitations are gone and my blood pressure is down.

All sugars, starches, and carbs? So Carnivore: Meat, fish, and eggs only?

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Good for you Benny6 but possibly you losing the 50 excess pounds has a lot more to do with your heart health improving than just not eating those foods.

Could be either or both. Some would argue probably both.

I've seen people sometimes report results nothing short of remarkable as a result of Keto, Paleo, or Carnivore diets.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I eat sugars, starches, carbs, and bad seed oils with no ill effect but I am at a healthy weight, strength train regularly, and don't eat much of those eating more protein and healthy fats. I don't take any prescription meds either. At age of 73 my BP is good and my resting heart rate is in the mid 50s.

Almost the same here.

I avoid sugars on a regular basis. I allow myself one cheat evening and one cheat morning a week to enjoy such things.

Even then: My wife's trying to help me out. E.g.: Last Saturday morning she asked "Scones, or would you prefer not?" I know she enjoys such things, but only if I join her, so "If you want scones, go ahead and make scones. I'll partake." (Trying Real Hard not to be religious about this.)

Then she turned around, found a keto-friendly scones recipe, and made those

I try to limit net carbs (keto terminology: The carbs that spike blood sugar and insulin) and starches. I don't worry too much about non-starchy vegetables as they're almost always exceedingly low in net carbs.

As for seed oils: My wife's never used them and I very rarely eat the pre-prepared stuff (e.g.: Starchy snacks, fast-food fries) which are often prepared with them, so they're mostly a non-issue for me.

As for the OP, the original subject: Neither Big Pharma, Big Ag, nor the governments TLAs have Americans' health as their primary concerns.

That last may change with MAHA. I'm cautiously optimistic.

As an aside: Speaking of weight training: Crashed on the ice removing snow <counts...> 3-1/2 weeks back. Injured something on my right side and the right side of my back. So badly just turning over in bed, if not done just so, was quite painful for a week or two.

Since you need your core for pretty much everything when lifting, I've been out of my gym since.

Maybe this week I'll give it a go? It only hurts a little, now and then, now.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I eat sugars, starches, carbs, and bad seed oils with no ill effect but I am at a healthy weight, strength train regularly, and don't eat much of those eating more protein and healthy fats. I don't take any prescription meds either. At age of 73 my BP is good and my resting heart rate is in the mid 50s.

Almost the same here.

I avoid sugars on a regular basis. I allow myself one cheat evening and one cheat morning a week to enjoy such things.

Even then: My wife's trying to help me out. E.g.: Last Saturday morning she asked "Scones, or would you prefer not?" I know she enjoys such things, but only if I join her, so "If you want scones, go ahead and make scones. I'll partake." (Trying Real Hard not to be religious about this.)

Then she turned around, found a keto-friendly scones recipe, and made those

I try to limit net carbs (keto terminology: The carbs that spike blood sugar and insulin) and starches. I don't worry too much about non-starchy vegetables as they're almost always exceedingly low in net carbs.

As for seed oils: My wife's never used them and I very rarely eat the pre-prepared stuff (e.g.: Starchy snacks, fast-food fries) which are often prepared with them, so they're mostly a non-issue for me.

As for the OP, the original subject: Neither Big Pharma, Big Ag, nor the governments TLAs have Americans' health as their primary concerns.

That last may change with MAHA. I'm cautiously optimistic.

As an aside: Speaking of weight training: Crashed on the ice removing snow <counts...> 3-1/2 weeks back. Injured something on my right side and the right side of my back. So badly just turning over in bed, if not done just so, was quite painful for a week or two.

Since you need your core for pretty much everything when lifting, I've been out of my gym since.

Maybe this week I'll give it a go? It only hurts a little, now and then, now.

Freaking ice. in January two of my gym buddies fell on the ice on the same day. One guy is 80 and he fractured a rib that punctured his lung though barely but he was back a few weeks later doing light workout. Another guy is 58 and gashed his arm on some landscaping stone though he was working out with a bandage. Another gym buddie also 58 came back from a skiing trip in Colorado and he has a tear in his bicep from trying to turn a snow mobile upright. He is doing pretty good but doing lighter work that involves biceps.

I hurt my back but fairly minor after a lower workout late last summer, probably due to using too much weight too soon with trap bar deadlift. I stopped doing lower workout for about 10 days. I had pain in lower back/upper hip area on my right side and it hurt a bunch getting in and out of car but subsided mostly before doing lower workout again. When I started back with my trainer my first workout was with light weight, maybe 30 percent of normal and then 40 percent of normal first workout. Felling good after that I went to about 60 percent next lower workout, then about 80 percent third lower workout, and then back to normal fourth normal workout. I wanted to make sure I had no increase in pain between workouts as a workout could feel fine during the workout but then the next day worse pain. Of course if I had any pain at all during an exercise I would have stopped immediately, though maybe trying a lighter weight.

If you are feeling pretty good doing most normal activities it might be time to dip your toes in the water again but IMHO best to go slow and you might just want to try one or two exercises with much lower than normal weight and then see how you feel in the next couple days. Of course going to an ortho doctor might not be a bad idea either. We got a great back doctor and with insurance an office visit and xray cost about $110 for me I believe.

I have much more respect for the deadlift now LOL. I do them only moderate weight 200-220 until moderately difficult (usually 12-15 reps) rather than trying to really push through the reps. It's too easy to lose good form for me when doing that.

Hope you are back to normal soon.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by benny6:
I've cut out all sugars, starches, carbs and bad oils from my diet and have lost 50 pounds since September. My heart palpitations are gone and my blood pressure is down.

All sugars, starches, and carbs? So Carnivore: Meat, fish, and eggs only?

Pretty much. Kind of keto-vore. I guess I should specify all complex carbs. I do have leafy greens on occasion. Most of the veggies I eat are cooked, like asparagus, brussell sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, etc. Sometimes I season them and cook them in the air fryer with some Parmesan cheese.

I make keto friendly spaghetti sauce and serve it over spaghetti squash with mild Italian sausage.

This morning I made bacon bits in the cast iron and used some of the bacon grease to sauté some bell peppers, onions and mushrooms, then I added the bacon bits, 3 eggs and some shredded cheese. Topped off with salsa, guacamole and sour cream.

For dinner I had oven baked chicken drumsticks.

The only time I've eaten rice, sweets, or sugars was for valentine's day at Gloria Estefan's kitchen. We had seafood paella and I had a chocolate dessert. The last time I had sweets before that was Thanksgiving.

I sweeten my coffee with a teaspoon of monk fruit and add butter, cocoa powder, pink Himalayan salt, MCT oil and 1 tbsp heavy whipping cream.

I eat a lot of sardines, tuna, chicken, pork, brisket, flank steak, carb-free fajitas, flap steak.

I only eat a handful of blueberries, blackberries, raspberries or strawberries a day, if any at all.

No processed foods, no seed oils, no sugars, no starches, no rice, no corn, no pasta, no bread. I cook a lot with organic ghee, avocado oil, olive oil or coconut oil.

Tony.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Freaking ice. in January two of my gym buddies fell on the ice on the same day. One guy is 80 and he fractured a rib ...

With as slow as this has been to heal my wife suspects I bruised a rib.

Then again: I may have cracked/fractured it. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
If you are feeling pretty good doing most normal activities it might be time to dip your toes in the water again but IMHO best to go slow and you might just want to try one or two exercises with much lower than normal weight ...

It's been 3-1/2 weeks, so I'd back everything off, anyway.

But I do need to get back in there. After two weeks you start losing muscle mass. I'd been making good gains up until this. Grrr...

Today's the day. At least it'll be an upper day, which doesn't challenge my core quite so much as lower days.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
I have much more respect for the deadlift now LOL.

Me and DLs have just never gotten along very well. Romanian DLs and TBDLs: Yes. Regular DLs: Not so much. I can even do Pendlay Rows in decent form.

I tried adding DLs back just before I injured myself. They just plain don't work for me.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Hope you are back to normal soon.

Thanks!

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by benny6:
I've cut out all sugars, starches, carbs and bad oils from my diet ...

All sugars, starches, and carbs? So Carnivore: Meat, fish, and eggs only?

Pretty much. Kind of keto-vore. I guess I should specify all complex carbs. I do have leafy greens on occasion. Most of the veggies I eat are...

You've got that backwards. You've eliminated all simple/refined carbs. You still eat complex carbs.

It's mostly the simple/refined carbs that spike blood glucose and insulin.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
If you are feeling pretty good doing most normal activities it might be time to dip your toes in the water again but IMHO best to go slow and you might just want to try one or two exercises with much lower than normal weight ...

It's been 3-1/2 weeks, so I'd back everything off, anyway.

But I do need to get back in there. After two weeks you start losing muscle mass. I'd been making good gains up until this. Grrr...

I take HMB supplement daily and mix it in with the creatine powder I take too. There is research that shows it may help reduce muscle mass loss particularly in seniors. It is pretty cheap when buying the bulk powder. Just trying to get every advantage I can ay my age.

I would feel so much better about this MAHA crusade if RFK and his buddies would assign scientists at the FDA to review the literature and produce a systematic review, a real one using scientific data and not the scare tactics used by the True Believers.
I continue to believe that 80% of the problem is people eating too many carbs and every kind of sugar, not just HFCS. And note that this is a class-based epidemic. Higher income people are much less likely to be overweight and diabetic. It's a matter of high-carb stuff being cheap and readily available, along with much less physical activity needed to get through life. The government screwed up in the 80's pushing the low-fat diet. That just gave a green light to the food industry to push carbs in everything-hey, it's still less than 30% fat, right? That was awful, and based on awful science. I took part in it too.
So I don't want a repeat of the government using its power to mess everything up based on poor science.
I don't have the time or interest to dive deep into the food science stuff any more. But I will use another example of a statistic that's batted around, including by President Trump, which he picked up from RFK: the "explosion" of autism.
Alyssa Finley in the WSJ has an article the other day in which she showed how this "epidemic" is very likely due to moving the goal posts: all the nerdy kids (like me) were just nerds; then the shrinks moved in and called us all "Autism Spectrum Disorder". The government started pushing money out to schools to treat this, so lo and behold that incentive created the "epidemic". Oh, that and nerds marrying nerds and breeding little super-nerds. I know, our family is full of them. Some functional, some not.
Link to WSJ article on rise of autism

One of the best health magazines is put out by the Life Extension Foundation.

https://www.lifeextension.com/

Go to the bottom of the page to Magazine Archives and download the monthly magazine in PDF form.

My anecdotal evidence. Started intermittent fasting in 2020 at 220lbs. Weight was 195 in April 2024 and steady for about a year. Taking metformin, simvastatin, lisiniprol medium to low dosage. A1C 7.3 BP 140/75.

April 2024 at 195lbs went hardcore keto. I did eat veg and some fruit after the 1st 2 weeks but my main diet was thick Ribeyes, pork chops, bacon, chicken, broccoli, romaine salad greens. Stayed sincere for nearly 2 months. Got down to 177 wt, past 2 A1C's well below 6.5 on no medication. I stopped all prescription meds and I feel better at 74 than I did at 64. Gut health is much improved and that was my goal.

Still intermittent fasting and avoiding sugar and junk food. Wt is steady at 180-183 and BP and blood sugar good. I consider sugar the enemy but sometimes I cheat. My cheat sweets are good ice cream or chocolate covered almonds. Lots of fresh fruit and salads, real butter, olive oil, apple cider vinegar, sourdough bread. I do most of the cooking and grocery shopping and generally leave the junk food at the store. Can't eat it if ya ain't got it.