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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I agree with you so I'm not arguing but, also from personal experience, it's easier said than done. It's little comfort that someone who lost a leg would gladly trade places with me and my paper cut. My paper cut forces all of my attention on my condition and it feels my whole world is collapsing in on me.

What did you do or use to "fix your attitude?" The way I coped was to play twilight golf as often as I could to just get away from what was in my mind. When I tried to go to sleep, I would relive the last round to drift off into sleep as I remember walking off into the shadows to get to my ball. Otherwise, I couldn't sleep.

My house was underwater, I was stuck in a job that was killing me in terms of time and stress, my 401k was halved, and I thought I was doomed to having to work until the day I day. That was a period of 8 years. I finally decided to stop working as it looks like I could even though I still sold my house at a loss.

You’re absolutely right, it is *much* easier said than done.

It doesn’t hurt that my lovely bride notices and lets me know if I seem to be afflicted with “stinking thinking.” Sometimes the hardest part of being in a funk and seeing everything in black is not being conscious of doing that. What seems to help me is to get really clear about what is most important and focus on fixing that one thing. If there are dozen problems that are bugging me, writing them down in priority order, then working on them one at a time seems to work for me. Getting exercise helps me. Doing some little thing to make things better, even if it isn’t a high priority helps me too. I suspect everyone has their own way that things work best for them. Those are just some things that I have found helped me.

Being underwater financially and feeling trapped in a bad job would really suck. Congratulations on escaping (or at least making the decision to escape) that job!

Best regards,

slosig

When I was in my early 30's (about 40 years ago) I went thru some depression. I saw a couple of psychiatrists and one prescribed medication which did help, but what finally got me over my depression is when my ex moved out. I didn’t realize how unhappy I was in that relationship.

The battle for the house with lawyers went on for two years. I still have the house. Never felt any long term depression since.

Sorry for reviving this thread. Just wanted to add that there are a lot of other treatments that work, like therapy. Pills are too much, in my opinion.

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Originally posted by captain127:
...Nurses I think have been especially hard hit by this. All the good basic nursing care they provided decades ago that actually benefitted patient outcomes like bed sore prevention, mobilization after surgery to prevent DVT ( blood clots) has been replaced with them sitting in front of computers checking boxes to more positively impact health system’s financials...

^^^^
Maybe in your system but not where my daughter works. She is a level 4 NICU nurse. She won't violate HIPAA but she tells us what they do all day long and they are very hands on. They do document everything but they aren't on their computers all day. She regularly doesn't get a meal break because she is working with a patient.

Our family doctors are Osteopaths who are very hands on. And I have two nephews (brothers) who are physicians, one MD one DO. They both did their residencies in the same specialty at the Cleveland Clinic. They will both admit the MD nephew is more likely to prescribe an Rx faster than his DO brother.

I feel fortunate I am in a specialty now ( orthopedics) where the amount of medication we prescribe is minimal. Pain medications, pre and post operative antibiotics, and medication to prevent dvt/pe ( blood clots) is about 99% of it. I do a good number of joint injections also.
I do feel Main line primary care is fully focused on medication management. Sadly there is simply not enough time for providers to address things non pharmacologically like there should be

So many options out there.
Take CBD, for example. According to this page on medical cannabis for anxiety, a 58% reduction in anxiety and stress following cannabis use was reported by medical cannabis patients. That's a high number, and it shows that pills should really be the last resort.

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Originally posted by captain127:
I do feel Main line primary care is fully focused on medication management. Sadly there is simply not enough time for providers to address things non pharmacologically like there should be

It's unfortunate... but I think that's true. We've become a drugged-up society.
Because of this, and what people saw from the medical profession during Covid, many people no longer trust the medical/pharma industries.
A lot of people are turning to "alternative" treatments including chiropractic care and homeopathic treatments.

"As a psychoanalyst, I often see patients who come to me after medication prescribed by psychiatrists—and even internists, who have no specialization in psychotropic drugs—has failed."

Re: the initial post.....A psychoanalyst who like guns ??? Gotta be a stupid joke in there somewhere!!

Seriously, it rings a little hollow to recommend psychoanalysis when there are so few in the country and they cost so much and take so long to be effective. Any worries about suicide in the meantime?

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A few years back, I was dealing with anxiety and didn't want to jump straight into meds either. Instead, I tried therapy, exercised more, and focused on my sleep. While those helped, what really stood out were some alternative approaches like mindfulness and exploring natural supplements. One thing I found particularly useful was microdosing mushrooms as part of a broader wellness practice. It’s not for everyone, but in my case, it offered clarity and a noticeable mood lift without harsh side effects.

For anyone curious, I came across Good Friday Wellness Mushrooms , which emphasize natural mental health support. Their resources and education around psilocybin made it easier to explore responsibly.

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Originally posted by mac_220:
A few years back, I was dealing with anxiety and didn't want to jump straight into meds either. Instead, I tried therapy, exercised more, and focused on my sleep. While those helped, what really stood out were some alternative approaches like mindfulness and exploring natural supplements. One thing I found particularly useful was microdosing mushrooms as part of a broader wellness practice. It’s not for everyone, but in my case, it offered clarity and a noticeable mood lift without harsh side effects.

How did you determine the dosage? I’m curious- I have a sib with what sounds like the same issues.. they tried ketamine, it didn’t help. I’d suggested doing mushrooms, but didn’t know anything about dosing..

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Originally posted by irreverent:

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Originally posted by mac_220:
A few years back, I was dealing with anxiety and didn't want to jump straight into meds either. Instead, I tried therapy, exercised more, and focused on my sleep. While those helped, what really stood out were some alternative approaches like mindfulness and exploring natural supplements. One thing I found particularly useful was microdosing mushrooms as part of a broader wellness practice. It’s not for everyone, but in my case, it offered clarity and a noticeable mood lift without harsh side effects.

How did you determine the dosage? I’m curious- I have a sib with what sounds like the same issues.. they tried ketamine, it didn’t help. I’d suggested doing mushrooms, but didn’t know anything about dosing..

Well, if you experience this:

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"Suddenly there was a terrible roar all around and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming: “Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?”

you took too much.

I have a coworker that is hearing voices from an alien space transmitter.

Nothing different than the type of anti-depressant being prescribed, people want instant results, no waiting, no working at or finding solutions, be it pain, mental, diet....

Stones hit the nail in 1966,

"Kids are different today, " I hear every mother say
Mother needs something today to calm her down
And though she's not really ill, there's a little yellow pill
She goes running for the shelter of her mother's little helper
And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day"

as much as the world changes, it stays the same and don't forget the other legal OTC remedy, wine.....


"… Doctor, please, some more of these
Outside the door, she took four more
… What a drag it is getting old"