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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Heh, yeah, that's the one. "I'll tell you what I do like though: a yard man, a dyed-in-the-wool yard man. Cold blooded, clean, methodical and thorough. Now a real yard man, when he started up that DeWalt, would've immediately asked about the little red button on the bottom of the mower." | |||
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If one typically purchases used vehicles and keeps them a long time, does purchasing a used EV without a warranty ever make sense. Would many repairs be referred to the dealer and quite expensive? Are most mechanics now familiar with diagnosing and repairing problems with EVs? | |||
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Bullshit. How many EVs in use today have zero emissions when you consider the source of their charge? | |||
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Amen! For now they are playthings of the rich. Capitalism will make them viable in the future. The amount money wasted to attempt to move that timeline up is unfathomable. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Require taxi drivers, uber drivers, postal vehicles, Amazon delivery vans, etc to be electric and leave the rest of us the hell alone. Applications like that would likely take all the batteries the US could produce anyway for the forseeable future. And we wouldn't have to spend billions of our tax dollars to build public charging stations | |||
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So the 1 million mile Tesla the article says he has replaced the battery pack at least two times so at least but it does not say how many actual times he has replaced the packs at $20 grand each. Then he has replaced 8 electric motors. Do we have numbers on how much all that cost him? Motorbliss.com has complete model s motors for $11,900 then the labor cost to replacing it. The Model 3 the cost is 3-5 thousand. I’m still scratching my head over trying to figure out the savings I would achieve over the gasoline vehicles. Not even getting into the long distance travel issues. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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If I want to drive a golf cart I'll go to a golf course or country club. | |||
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Not sure? https://insideevs.com/news/561...ob_-3bCb9sZ-QxlJzx0Y | |||
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Thanks Para, now I've got to go watch the 5th element. I'm open to an EV but not ready to jump until some more stuff gets sorted out and the price becomes just the regular car price. If I didn't have a company car I could see that changing though. | |||
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It's not how hardy the batteries are, or the motors, bearings, drive axles or suspension bushings. It's the complex electronic boards with fragile controller chips that when one goes bad, the whole CAN bus goes down and the car doesn't work. The CAN bus uses a single wire to transmit a signal and send and receive data to conrtol all the other little computers and they communicate along it like a network. One single glitch like a bad sensor, the wire gets chewed through by a rat, previous impact damage an incompetent body shop failed to repair, corrosion, faulty chinese garbage parts,or any number of problems the whole system fails. My BMW used the CAN bus system to communicate across all the other ridiculous amount of little computer controllers that controlled everything from the temp gauge to the goddammed headlights. Even the electric steering. Yes the electric steering can just fail. The car became complete stupid while driving it. Now add into the mix removing the gasoline engine that had a failsafe to keep running. Your electric car can be completely bricked with a failed component that may be impossible to get as they just aren't cast or machined out of billet metal. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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How many of us have seen computers or TV's fail in under 5 years? All because a cheap capacitor went bad. I bet it's well over 90%. There are a lot of capacitors in these EV's and I suspect that at some point they will fail. Wonder how well prople will reacto to being told that X computer failed and the cost for a replacement is 7000 dollars. Note, that center entertainment system in cars today are also typically the master computer for the car and with some brands it's well over 5 grand to replace. Anything you read positive about an EV will be Sales Hype. Meaning some of it will be true and the rest will be misdirection or outright lies. I've stopped counting. | |||
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We just installed EV chargers at work, the cost to use them is 5.5 ¢ per kWhr. That's half my cost at my house. If I needed a new car that development would make it worthwhile. An electric would make a lot of sense for me since my commute is only 5.3mi and I live 10 miles from hundreds of stores and multiple malls. The short drives aren't really good on cars. My next car might be an EV just for acceleration and cost. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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For most people, it really will not matter how long they last because they will not be able to afford to buy them. Most people will have EV subscriptions in the coming years. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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Time traveler, eh?  God bless America. | |||
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That and I watched a TedTalk by a guy who said the carbon footprint of building an EV was three times that of a Corvette and it takes about 80,000 miles to break even just on the build. He was pushing hybrids as the best choice all around. NRA Life Member "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." Teddy Roosevelt | |||
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EVs are still an emerging technology. I have a current Tesla Model S. It is a blast to drive. Instant acceleration, silent and one-pedal control (exceptional for commuting). Add in the yoke steering and it is a Jetsons-like driving experience. The driver assist features make longer drives less stressful and do increase safety, but gas cars have many of these features. I didn't buy it to save the environment or to save money. EVs are expensive cars. I do like not having to go to the gas station as often. EVs make no sense if you can't charge them at home or at work. The one place where they have a clear cost advantage would be a smaller EV used as a commuter. In terms of service life, I wouldn't buy one to keep for much more than 5 years. The technology is changing very quickly and there is limited experience with what they will cost to run once the factory warranty expires. | |||
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What's the disposal cost of a used / <20% battery life left electric vehicle? ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
Then there's this minor issue, once you get past the building, maintaining, and disposal of EV's. "Coal, the most abundant fuel source in the United States, accounts for most of Georgia Power's generating capacity. We also use oil and gas to generate power." https://www.georgiapower.com/c...nerating-plants.html ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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| A teetotaling beer aficionado  |
In my area (Keller/Southlake/Colleyville NE Fort Worth) you're just as likely to see a Tesla on the road as a Camry. They're everywhere. Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves. -D.H. Lawrence | |||
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the sign on the car says 1,000,000 km | |||
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