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Russia’s only aircraft carrier is damaged when dock sunk & crane punched hole
October 31, 2018, 02:48 PM
lkdr1989Russia’s only aircraft carrier is damaged when dock sunk & crane punched hole
I believe this is the carrier that has to travel with a tug.
Comment from Instapundit - where I saw this article:
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Russia’s only aircraft carrier is damaged when dock sinks, crane punches huge hole in ship
MOSCOW — Russia’s only aircraft carrier was damaged in a dock accident Tuesday that left one person missing and four injured, officials said.
A floating dock sank early morning in Murmansk, dropping a crane on the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov carrier, the United Shipbuilding Corporation said.
The corporation’s chief, Alexei Rakhmanov, said the 70-ton crane left a hole of 215 square feet, but added that it didn’t damage any of the ship’s vital systems.
The accident happened as the ship was leaving the dock following repairs. Rakhmanov said it may have been caused by a sharp power surge that led to pumps' failure.
The Russian naval grouping is led by the Northern Fleet’s guided missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov.
By: Matthew Bodner
Four workers were injured and one is still missing, Murmansk governor Marina Kovtun said on state-owned Rossiya 24 television channel on Tuesday.
Rakhmanov said that accident wouldn't lead to a significant extension of the carrier's refurbishment. Following the repairs, the carrier is to be fitted with modern control systems and new weapons.
Rakhmanov acknowledged, however, that the loss of the huge, 80,000-ton dock would disrupt the planned modernization of other Russian navy ships. The dock is the only structure of that capacity that Russia has, and it wasn't immediately clear whether it could be lifted.
The Admiral Kuznetsov carrier was launched in 1985 and has repeatedly been plagued by technical problems.
While the ship with its turbines belching black smoke looks outdated compared with the U.S. nuclear-powered carriers, it allows the Kremlin to project power far away from Russia's shores.
Two years ago, the Admiral Kuznetsov was deployed to the eastern Mediterranean as part of Russia’s campaign in Syria, launching the first carrier-mounted attacks in Russia’s navy history.
https://www.militarytimes.com/...s-huge-hole-in-ship/
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RightwireGood thing it was just a little hole

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kz1000
эй смотреть это
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October 31, 2018, 03:14 PM
TigerDoreI hear their anti-submarine tanks are vicious.
October 31, 2018, 03:16 PM
Sig209quote:
Originally posted by kz1000:
эй смотреть это
'vodka' was the first thing i thought of when i read this headline
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October 31, 2018, 03:40 PM
GWbikerIn Russia, motor run on gasoline or Diesel fuel. Driver run on Vodka.
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October 31, 2018, 06:18 PM
XinTXМоряки нуждаются в большем количестве водки
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November 01, 2018, 01:18 AM
Sgt NeutronThe Russians switched fuels for their R-2 missile due to the troops drinking the fuel:
http://www.astronautix.com/r/r-2.htmlThe Soviet R-2 ballistic missile was developed in 1947-1953, nearly in parallel with the R-1 from which it derived. It incorporated many detailed improvements, had double the range of the R-1 and V-2, and was equipped with a deadly radiological warhead. The ethyl alcohol used in the V-2 and R-1 was replaced by methyl alcohol in the R-2, eliminating the problem of the launch troops drinking up the rocket fuel.November 01, 2018, 03:44 AM
tacfoleyWhen I was in the British Military Mission [BRIXMIS] in the early '80s, we were advised that most trucks had their anti-freeze drained out overnight so that the duty guard couldn't drink it whilst 'on duty'.
November 01, 2018, 07:31 AM
VMI 1991It is one thing to "have" an aircraft carrier. It is another subject entirely to be proficient in sustained flight operations in a combat environment, not to mention the basics of seamanship and navigation. So, while some are alarmed because country a and/or b are building CVs/CVNs, being able to employ them requires extensive training.
Speed is fine, but accuracy is final
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Veeperquote:
Originally posted by VMI 1991:
It is one thing to "have" an aircraft carrier. It is another subject entirely to be proficient in sustained flight operations in a combat environment, not to mention the basics of seamanship and navigation. So, while some are alarmed because country a and/or b are building CVs/CVNs, being able to employ them requires extensive training.
This is partly why China doesn't scare me either. "Mei ban fa" is so pervasive in China that it's effects are probably more detrimental to China than alcohol is to Russia.
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tacfoleyquote:
Originally posted by VMI 1991:
It is one thing to "have" an aircraft carrier. It is another subject entirely to be proficient in sustained flight operations in a combat environment, not to mention the basics of seamanship and navigation. So, while some are alarmed because country a and/or b are building CVs/CVNs, being able to employ them requires extensive training.
I was privileged a while back to getting the chance to observe the John F Kennedy operating in a NATO exercise. Watching, and feeling the constant take-off and landing of 96 aircraft - one very few seconds or couple of minutes - for a prolonged period of time was nothing less than magical to behold. We talked among ourselves about how long it would take the Russians to get to this degree of operational achievement, and, having heard that their one aeroplane had crashed again, came to the conclusion that it might take around 80 - 100 years, providing that they had at least another ten carriers, and another 500 suitable aircraft, not having had the spur of actual war at sea to gee them on.
November 01, 2018, 11:50 AM
parabellumYes,
wodka came to mind immediately.
Crazy Russkies
November 01, 2018, 11:52 AM
tacfoleyThe point having been made about RAS - replenishment at sea - I'd lke to remind us all that the Russian Navy no longer practices the manoever, having had too many coming-together of large ships whilst attempting it. They now practice VERY limited STB - stern to bow -replenishment of minor stores, but only with the merchant marine, usually icebreakers.
November 01, 2018, 12:06 PM
220-9erThey do have nukes but most people confuse them with the Soviet Union. Otherwise they are a 3rd world nation.
Forty nine plus years ago with less computing power than an Iphone, we landed a man on the moon. Then did it several more times until the novelty wore off.
Russia still hasn't been able to do that.
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November 01, 2018, 12:39 PM
LDDThe strength and emphasis of the old Soviet navy was never in aircraft carriers, the modern Russian navy even less so.
The US Navy operates more active carriers than the rest of the world combined. For us, they're a centerpiece of our naval strategy. The majority of our global naval presence is built around carriers. For everyone almost everyone else, carriers are a mix of military asset and political prestige piece. Gotta have one to be in the club, but one is good enough. Surprisingly, the country behind the US, with the next greatest number of carriers is Italy with 2 V/STOL carriers.
Sure, Russia has a carrier, but the Kusnetsov is around so that Putin can say that he has a carrier.
November 01, 2018, 12:53 PM
VMI 1991quote:
Originally posted by tacfoley:
quote:
Originally posted by VMI 1991:
It is one thing to "have" an aircraft carrier. It is another subject entirely to be proficient in sustained flight operations in a combat environment, not to mention the basics of seamanship and navigation. So, while some are alarmed because country a and/or b are building CVs/CVNs, being able to employ them requires extensive training.
I was privileged a while back to getting the chance to observe the John F Kennedy operating in a NATO exercise. Watching, and feeling the constant take-off and landing of 96 aircraft - one very few seconds or couple of minutes - for a prolonged period of time was nothing less than magical to behold. We talked among ourselves about how long it would take the Russians to get to this degree of operational achievement, and, having heard that their one aeroplane had crashed again, came to the conclusion that it might take around 80 - 100 years, providing that they had at least another ten carriers, and another 500 suitable aircraft, not having had the spur of actual war at sea to gee them on.
Sir - exactly. We invest incredible amounts of time, effort and funds to train the flight deck crew in flight deck operations. If you add in the amount of time the pilots and NFOs have to spend just to get trained in landing and taking off in all weather conditions, you have an immense training requirement. Then, do that with other ships and everything else the entire carrier strike group has to be able to do....
LIAONING may be the "first" PLAN carrier, but they have a really long way to go.
Speed is fine, but accuracy is final
The use of the pen is an indulgence we can afford only because better men and women grip the sword on our behalf -Ralph Peters November 01, 2018, 01:09 PM
arabiancowboyI heard some pumps were stuck open. Wonder how that happened.