I hope this officer wasn't using his WML as a flashlight and ND'd. I guess that would be ruled out by the "multiple shots" report.

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Originally posted by MikeGLI:
I hope this officer wasn't using his WML as a flashlight and ND'd. I guess that would be ruled out by the "multiple shots" report.

I had wondered about the WML aspect myself. (I am not a fan of them).

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
I just wonder if there is a training officer somewhere thinking to himself while he shakes his head, "I fucking told them so"...

Since we're all (me too) in speculation mode due to the silence of the PD, I'd bet you're right. I'd say the CYA in this case may not be justifying the shooting, but justifying the hiring. This mayor has a history of animosity toward the PD and may very well have forced the hiring in the name of diversity.

Withholding comment until some real details from credible sources emerge.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
I just wonder if there is a training officer somewhere thinking to himself while he shakes his head, "I fucking told them so"...

Since we're all (me too) in speculation mode due to the silence of the PD, I'd bet you're right. I'd say the CYA in this case may not be justifying the shooting, but justifying the hiring. This mayor has a history of animosity toward the PD and may very well have forced the hiring in the name of diversity.

No kidding. I predict this is going to be a total 1984 Orwellian double-speak, word-torquing, detail glossing over briefing of epic proportions when it comes out.

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I will say with some pride, I work in a relatively diverse Department and I've not been aware of any rookies since I've been here that were approved without the support of their training officers. We have something around 50% attrition from hire to completing field training. It's no joke.


My old Agency, on the other hand... You wouldn't believe the stories.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
I've seen several articles on this, and the only odd think I saw popup was the fact she was anti-gun, for whatever that's worth.

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Ms Damond had a well-known stance against guns, and there was no way she would have been armed on Saturday night, her friend Hannah, 21, told the paper.

Senator Feinstein has a CCW but works tirelessly to see that the rest of the citizens in CA are disarmed and don't have access to the same CCW she has.

Who knows if the deceased said one thing publically but practiced something else privately.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:Who knows if the deceased said one thing publically but practiced something else privately.

Are you suggesting she was armed? There have been statements that no weapon was recovered at the scene. If that isn't correct, I'd think the PD would be saying so.

I'd take the Chief's statement to be a heads up to the mayor. "This is YOUR problem". The two have been involved in an ongoing public feud for months.

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Originally posted by Sig209:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
I just wonder if there is a training officer somewhere thinking to himself while he shakes his head, "I fucking told them so"...

Since we're all (me too) in speculation mode due to the silence of the PD, I'd bet you're right. I'd say the CYA in this case may not be justifying the shooting, but justifying the hiring. This mayor has a history of animosity toward the PD and may very well have forced the hiring in the name of diversity.

No kidding. I predict this is going to be a total 1984 Orwellian double-speak, word-torquing, detail glossing over briefing of epic proportions when it comes out ...

Hope you don't mind the bolding, but that is my gut feel. Much political correctness in this neck of the woods.

No details have been released but all I can think of is an accidental discharge. The department hasn't relaxed any standards so until some details are made public, it's a guessing game.

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
No details have been released but all I can think of is an accidental discharge. The department hasn't relaxed any standards so until some details are made public, it's a guessing game.

But even after details are made public, it may still have some uncertainty. As I have indicated, I don't have much confidence in the integrity of those running that show.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:....Senator Feinstein has a CCW but works tirelessly to see that the rest of the citizens in CA are disarmed and don't have access to the same CCW she has.

Who knows if the deceased said one thing publically but practiced something else privately.

That is possible, but I think there are much more likely explanations.

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
No details have been released but all I can think of is an accidental discharge. The department hasn't relaxed any standards so until some details are made public, it's a guessing game.

The only argument against that is that the news reports say she was shot multiple times.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Are you suggesting she was armed? There have been statements that no weapon was recovered at the scene. If that isn't correct, I'd think the PD would be saying so.

Does it say she had anything in her hand? While she may not have had a weapon in her hand, what if she had something in her hand that the officer mistook for a weapon?

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
No details have been released but all I can think of is an accidental discharge. The department hasn't relaxed any standards so until some details are made public, it's a guessing game.

The problem with that is that she was shot multiple times according to the initial report. That pretty much eliminates an ND.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:Who knows if the deceased said one thing publically but practiced something else privately.

Are you suggesting she was armed? There have been statements that no weapon was recovered at the scene. If that isn't correct, I'd think the PD would be saying so.

I'd take the Chief's statement to be a heads up to the mayor. "This is YOUR problem". The two have been involved in an ongoing public feud for months.

I'm not saying or inferring that's the case. All I'm offering is that on the continum of what happened, that is one possibility.

The PD statement has ZERO facts in it and not one single person who is in a position to know has commented one way or the other on what happened. All we have is that officers rolled to a 911 call and the complaining party was shot by one of the officers.

Everyone is getting all amped up when there's nothing of substance that allows a reasonable mind to reach fair and logical conclusions.

It might be a righetous shoot. It might be a horrible shoot. Who knows but I do know that no one here or anywhere knows either.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Are you suggesting she was armed? There have been statements that no weapon was recovered at the scene. If that isn't correct, I'd think the PD would be saying so.

Does it say she had anything in her hand? While she may not have had a weapon in her hand, what if she had something in her hand that the officer mistook for a weapon?

Article said she was holding a cell phone. Maybe that's why he freaked out and shot her, mistaking it for a gun?

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
Are you suggesting she was armed? There have been statements that no weapon was recovered at the scene. If that isn't correct, I'd think the PD would be saying so.

Does it say she had anything in her hand? While she may not have had a weapon in her hand, what if she had something in her hand that the officer mistook for a weapon?

I would bet anything that she likely had a cell phone with her. It was probably in her hand considering that she was in her PJ's. But I mean seriously, she was at the driver's side window. It's not as if she were 20 feet away in the shadows.

But whatever, this is all speculation.

I am not forming any opinion until presented with some facts. Some people here may want to follow the same line.