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More Chiraq news: More than 100 shot in violent Fourth of July weekend
July 05, 2017, 09:16 PM
wcb6092More Chiraq news: More than 100 shot in violent Fourth of July weekend
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20170705-story.htmlThe Chicago Police Department says it is conducting "a very comprehensive review" after the city experienced one of its most violent Fourth of July weekends in recent years, with at least 101 people shot between late Friday afternoon and early Wednesday.
"We're doing a debriefing," said chief police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. "The mood here is frustration."
The review will include an analysis of how "amateur fireworks" might have affected the ShotSpotter system, which captures audio of gunfire and attempts to pinpoint its location for quicker deployment of officers. The system is deployed in the Englewood and Harrison districts, traditionally among the city's most violent.
"It's perplexing," Guglielmi said. "We deployed some very successful tactics over the Memorial Day weekend." Yet those same tactics did not seem to work as well over the Fourth holiday.
Fifteen people were killed and 86 others were wounded. Nearly half the shootings occurred in the last 12 hours of the long holiday.
The last time the Fourth holiday spanned four full days was in 2013, when July 4 fell on a Thursday and many people had Friday off. At least 74 people were shot between Wednesday evening and early Monday that year, and 12 of them died, according to Tribune data.
The violence this year was largely confined to the South and West sides, where hundreds of officers on overtime were deployed. The youngest person shot was a 13-year-old boy seriously wounded in Gage Park on Friday night. The oldest was a 60-year-old man in the Lawndale neighborhood.
A total of 1,300 extra officers were deployed over the long weekend through 6 a.m. Wednesday. The additional officers came from the summer mobile teams, organized crime units and area saturation teams. "I don't think lack of resources was an issue."
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July 05, 2017, 09:17 PM
IndyRobI prefer Madiganistan to Chiraq
July 05, 2017, 09:20 PM
parabellumquote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
The last time the Fourth holiday spanned four full days was in 2013, when July 4 fell on a Thursday and many people had Friday off. At least 74 people were shot between Wednesday evening and early Monday that year, and 12 of them died, according to Tribune data.
Oh, my goodness, yes. If I have more than three days off in a row, I have to go all
Lord of the Flies around here.
July 05, 2017, 09:25 PM
sjpI'm willing to bet that the perpetrators have close to 7 days off a week, every week....
July 05, 2017, 09:26 PM
wcb6092quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
The last time the Fourth holiday spanned four full days was in 2013, when July 4 fell on a Thursday and many people had Friday off. At least 74 people were shot between Wednesday evening and early Monday that year, and 12 of them died, according to Tribune data.
Oh, my goodness, yes. If I have more than three days off in a row, I have to go all
Lord of the Flies around here.
I don't get this either. What makes the holidays more lethal in Chicago? These thugs don't work anyway.
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July 05, 2017, 09:27 PM
ZSMICHAELI mentioned this in an earlier post. NYC used to be much more dangerous than Chicago. They solved their gang problem Chicago never did. People who have never lived or visited there do not fully understand that most but not all of this violence is confined to the city and not the suburbs and usually involves young gangbangers killing each other.
July 05, 2017, 09:30 PM
parabellumLet's see- Thanksgiving is a four day holiday. I guess they'll need to stock up on body bags this Fall.
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July 05, 2017, 09:41 PM
Bulldog7972quote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I mentioned this in an earlier post. NYC used to be much more dangerous than Chicago. They solved their gang problem Chicago never did. People who have never lived or visited there do not fully understand that most but not all of this violence is confined to the city and not the suburbs and usually involves young gangbangers killing each other.
Different political environment. A solid Republican was in charge awhile back in NYC. He took the steps needed to bring NYC back from the brink of destruction. Chicago is "led" by a bunch of worthless Democrats who will take the side of a thug everyday, all day long.
July 05, 2017, 09:44 PM
ZSMICHAELThey used to blame it on the heat. Days above 90. In the poorer areas of the city they would open the fire hydrants for the kids to play in. Murders do slow down during the Winter months though. I think a lot of this is media BS. They always report how many people died on the state highways over the LONG HOLIDAY WEEKEND, as if nobody died on other weekends. That is just crazy when you think about it. Most of these folks do not know what day of the week it is, but they all heard of the fourth of July when Chicago declared its independence from the rest of the civilized world.
July 05, 2017, 10:06 PM
YooperSigs"We are doing a debriefing". Thanks, Chief!
Nothing like a good debriefing.

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July 05, 2017, 10:07 PM
wcb6092If the Illinois legislature would enact Reparations August as a month long holiday,this problem might burn itself out.
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July 05, 2017, 10:48 PM
EdmondSimple solution:
Move Independence Day in Chicago to the middle of January, make it a Wednesday.
That way the hot weather won't cause those fully employed and law abiding people to shoot each other.
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July 05, 2017, 11:20 PM
tleddyTake a look at "heyjackass.com"
Note ratio of killified - shootified by race.
No quarter
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July 06, 2017, 05:12 AM
sgalczynquote:
heyjackass.com
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Great site....................
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July 06, 2017, 08:36 AM
craigcpaquote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Let's see- Thanksgiving is a four day holiday. I guess they'll need to stock up on body bags this Fall.
Well, they could celebrate and extended Labor Day, but the irony would simply go over their heads.
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July 06, 2017, 12:08 PM
Sig2340quote:
Originally posted by tleddy:
Take a look at "heyjackass.com"
Note ratio of killified - shootified by race.
Data (draw your own conclusions)
Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 326
Shot & Wounded: 1540
Total Shot: 1866
Total Homicides: 351
2017 Race of Victim/Assailant
Race Victim/Assailant
Black 259/34
Hispanic 48/3
White/Other 8/-
Police - 6/0
Self Defense -/3
Unknown 7/265
As of 6/26/17
So in 265 instances, news reports omit the race of the assailant.
From another data point, you can draw an inference:
2017 Deadliest ‘hoods
Neighborhood Homicides/% African-American population
Austin 45/86.1
Englewood 33/96.6
North Lawndale 22/91.2
Garfield Park 17/93.3
Humboldt Park 13/41.5
Auburn Gresham 15/97.6
South Shore 16/94.8
Roseland 20/96.6
New City 9/28.3
Grand Crossing 11/96.3
Brighton Park 12/1.8
etc.
As of 7/5/17
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July 06, 2017, 12:44 PM
techguyThey should have a national holiday once a month in Chicago and sell ammo buy one box get two free. Eventually all the shitheads will be gone.
July 06, 2017, 12:48 PM
HayesGreenerThe Chicago police chief regarding the shootings in Chicago over the weekend:
"We have to change the underlying culture," Guglielmi said.
Do you think? maybe its starting to sink in.
He also said the problem is "gangs and guns". I wonder which they will go after?
Link to article below:
"http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chicago-police-express-frustration-after-more-than-100-shot-in-violent-fourth-of-july-weekend/ar-BBDNqcq?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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July 06, 2017, 01:05 PM
chellim1quote:
Originally posted by techguy:
They should have a national holiday once a month in Chicago and sell ammo buy one box get two free. Eventually all the shitheads will be gone.
Almost sounds like a new charity:
Slugs for Thugs
* sing to the tune of Kars for Kids.

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-rduckwor July 06, 2017, 01:33 PM
Yellow Jacketquote:
Originally posted by HayesGreener:
He also said the problem is "gangs and guns". I wonder which they will go after?
It's hard to go after the gangs. Much easier to go after the guns. Of course, it won't help and then they will wail, "We need to get even tougher on the guns."
Idiots.
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