I use Waze all the time. I drive a lot on the interstate here in Louisiana. I use the police ahead warning to watch out and move to the other lanes to give the LEO's plenty room to work safe. I don't speed enough to worry about tickets

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Originally posted by frayedends:
I’m actually convinced one of our local PDs uses Waze to post false police traps. We have a very busy intersection with no traffic light and a stop sign for only one of the roads. Speed limit is 30 and when people are going 30 the people trying to turn left onto the main road usually have enough room to do so. Traffic doesn’t back up too much. But if the main road traffic is a bit fast then those people never have a chance to sneak out and traffic on the side road backs up like crazy.

Anyhow recently Waze shows 2 police traps at the intersection every morning. Never a police car there. But traffic moves under the speed limit and traffic backups aren’t bad.

If I was a neighborhood busybody tired of people speeding through my neighborhood, I'd post fake speed traps on Waze every morning.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by pessimist:
Many people don’t have an issue with LE violating people’s rights by stopping cars wholesale without cause.

Add me to the long list of people who are fine with sobriety checkpoints.

Driving is a privilege, not a right, and drunk drivers continue to be a menace on the roads. They should be found and prosecuted to the absolute full extent of the law. A checkpoint to verify sobriety is not a bad thing, nor is it an invasion of privacy or right.

One can't complain of an invasion of privilege.

One can't have it both ways.

There's a more simple solution. Don't drive impaired.

How about checkpoints to:

-Confirm diver status (licensed, not suspended)?
-Confirm proof of insurance?
-Confirm roadworthiness of vehicle (tire tread, wiper blades, brake light function, etc)?

Sorry, put me down on the longer list of “need RAS/PC” folks who would prefer to be free of jack-booted thuggery as we go about our daily travels...

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by pessimist:
Many people don’t have an issue with LE violating people’s rights by stopping cars wholesale without cause.

Add me to the long list of people who are fine with sobriety checkpoints.

Driving is a privilege, not a right, and drunk drivers continue to be a menace on the roads. They should be found and prosecuted to the absolute full extent of the law. A checkpoint to verify sobriety is not a bad thing, nor is it an invasion of privacy or right.

One can't complain of an invasion of privilege.

One can't have it both ways.

There's a more simple solution. Don't drive impaired.

So you are all for pulling over hundreds of sober drivers, to maybe find 1 drunk driver?
Ever see what happens at a checkpoint? Long backups, increased chance of accidents and injury.

If a cop witnesses erratic driving pull that car over and do what is appropriate.

Randomly stopping everyone is plain old stupid.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by pessimist:
Many people don’t have an issue with LE violating people’s rights by stopping cars wholesale without cause.

Add me to the long list of people who are fine with sobriety checkpoints.

Driving is a privilege, not a right, and drunk drivers continue to be a menace on the roads. They should be found and prosecuted to the absolute full extent of the law. A checkpoint to verify sobriety is not a bad thing, nor is it an invasion of privacy or right.

One can't complain of an invasion of privilege.

One can't have it both ways.

There's a more simple solution. Don't drive impaired.

How about checkpoints to:

-Confirm diver status (licensed, not suspended)?
-Confirm proof of insurance?
-Confirm roadworthiness of vehicle (tire tread, wiper blades, brake light function, etc)?

Sorry, put me down on the longer list of “need RAS/PC” folks who would prefer to be free of Jack-booted thuggery as we go about our daily travels...

Really?

Yep. Start ignoring the Constitution because you feel safer at your own peril. Read the Supreme Court ruling on sobriety checkpoints. Not a constitutional lawyer but my read said they admit it violates the Constitution but the public safety element is just so gooooood... Whatever.

Besides which there is zero proof they work. Hell, even stop and frisk required a reason. DD checkpoints require nothing but overtime.

BS use of LE. Put it right up there with stupid things like “well if you aren’t doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about nonsense”. You can’t have the Constitution both ways. (Unless you are the Supreme Court)

There is no way I could live in NY. I won’t even visit there. What a buncha Commies in gov there.

I HATE checkpoints. I hate the idea of a checkpoint, it feels uniquely anti American.

The only time I ever encountered a checkpoint was while I was in Australia. I encountered multiple check points in Melbourne and one in Sydney. I thought to myself so this is what a nanny state feels like....feels bad man. (Overall I loved Australia but the checkpoints and cameras suck)

We’re better than that shit. Nazis and authoritarians like checkpoints. If you love liberty you should be happy with what Waze is doing.

I'd have a lot more patience for sobriety checkpoints, if the state treated distracted driving (using a cell phone) the same as DUI AND actually enforced it. I see a drunk weaving once in a blue moon, but see texting drivers in the vast majority of cars I can see into (lots of tinted windows in AZ) when on the road. By ignoring the real and much more common dangers on the road, I just don't have a lot of respect for the state's DUI enforcement and the revenue stream it brings them. Though I don't drink and drive.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
Driving is a privilege, not a right...

If you believe that driving a vehicle is a privilege, you’re just repeating something that the government told you that you haven’t thought through or your perspective of who’s ultimately in charge of whom is faulty.

A motor vehicle is the modern, common and widely accepted form of transportation in this country. What's the difference between owning and using a firearm or a motor vehicle? Did the founders have to insert wording that travel via horse (or common conveyance of the time) was a right or was it simply taken for granted?

If you were notified that your license was being taken away without cause, would you be ok with that? Because that's what privilege implies.

I’m not saying that it can’t or shouldn’t be regulated. But absent reasonable cause, if the government told me I could no longer own a firearm, my response would be “GO TO HELL”. I'd tell them the same if they told me I could no longer drive my car.

I can see both sides of this but what I really don't like is that the NYC folks "demanded" that Google do something that would be voluntary. IMO, the approach taken by NYC is an abuse of power.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by pessimist:
Many people don’t have an issue with LE violating people’s rights by stopping cars wholesale without cause.

Add me to the long list of people who are fine with sobriety checkpoints.

Driving is a privilege, not a right, and drunk drivers continue to be a menace on the roads. They should be found and prosecuted to the absolute full extent of the law. A checkpoint to verify sobriety is not a bad thing, nor is it an invasion of privacy or right.

One can't complain of an invasion of privilege.

One can't have it both ways.

There's a more simple solution. Don't drive impaired.

How about checkpoints to:

-Confirm diver status (licensed, not suspended)?
-Confirm proof of insurance?
-Confirm roadworthiness of vehicle (tire tread, wiper blades, brake light function, etc)?

Sorry, put me down on the longer list of “need RAS/PC” folks who would prefer to be free of jack-booted thuggery as we go about our daily travels...

A big plus one to that. Screw all manner of checkpoints.

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Originally posted by gw3971:

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Originally posted by Chowser:
I love using Waze. Whenever a coworker is setup to do speed, I drive by and mark their location on Waze. If I park somewhere near the street to write a report, I will report myself to Waze.

Yep. Me too! I always list my location when I'm out writing tickets. I wished more people would use waze it would make my day much better.

Making the roads safer with simple technology. Well done!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
A big plus one to that. Screw all manner of checkpoints.

Well, I am okay with border checkpoints, but other than that I am inclined to agree with you.

I’m with the crowd that thinks check points are a violation of our constitutional rights...and I love me some waze.

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Originally posted by RR:

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Sorry, put me down on the longer list of “need RAS/PC” folks who would prefer to be free of Jack-booted thuggery as we go about our daily travels...

Really?

Yup, really.

I got no problem with law enforcement. Proudly display thin blue lines on my vehicle rear windows. Been cheerfully directing cops doing the dispatch thing for 27 years this September. I am part of “the team”.

What I do have a problem with is abuse of authority, violation of rights, revenue driven “enforcement”, wasted resources, and shit done solely for the “optics” of doing it.

Such abuses I consider “Jack-booted thuggery”.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by pessimist:
Many people don’t have an issue with LE violating people’s rights by stopping cars wholesale without cause.

Add me to the long list of people who are fine with sobriety checkpoints.

Driving is a privilege, not a right, and drunk drivers continue to be a menace on the roads. They should be found and prosecuted to the absolute full extent of the law. A checkpoint to verify sobriety is not a bad thing, nor is it an invasion of privacy or right.

One can't complain of an invasion of privilege.

One can't have it both ways.

There's a more simple solution. Don't drive impaired.

How about checkpoints to:

-Confirm diver status (licensed, not suspended)?
-Confirm proof of insurance?
-Confirm roadworthiness of vehicle (tire tread, wiper blades, brake light function, etc)?

Sorry, put me down on the longer list of “need RAS/PC” folks who would prefer to be free of jack-booted thuggery as we go about our daily travels...

A big plus one to that. Screw all manner of checkpoints.

Me too.