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The Trump Presidency : Year II

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February 02, 2018, 10:46 AM
parabellum
The Trump Presidency : Year II
Coming out

Catherine Herridge on Fox now and Fox is broadening their feed to their partner networks.

Herridge is revealing first details.
February 02, 2018, 10:57 AM
S600MBUSA
House Intelligence memo released: What it says

quote:
The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the intial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

The FBI and Justice Department mounted a months-long effort to keep the information outlined in the memo out of the House Intelligence Committee's hands. Only the threat of contempt charges and other forms of pressure forced the FBI and Justice to give up the material.

Once Intelligence Committee leaders and staff compiled some of that information into the memo, the FBI and Justice Department, supported by Capitol Hill Democrats, mounted a ferocious campaign of opposition, saying release of the memo would endanger national security and the rule of law.

But Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes never wavered in his determination to make the information available to the public. President Trump agreed, and, as required by House rules, gave his approval for release.

Finally, the memo released today does not represent the sum total of what House investigators have learned in their review of the FBI and Justice Department Trump-Russia investigation. That means the fight over the memo could be replayed in the future when the Intelligence Committee decides to release more information.



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February 02, 2018, 10:58 AM
feersum dreadnaught
[QUOTE]Originally posted by S600MBUSA:
House Intelligence memo released: What it says
[QUOTE]

In summary:





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February 02, 2018, 11:04 AM
Balzé Halzé
End this sham of a investigation now. Mad


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February 02, 2018, 11:07 AM
PASig
Seems kind of underwhelming. Confused


February 02, 2018, 11:08 AM
feersum dreadnaught
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
End this sham of a investigation now.


Yes - famous last words apply.

“Bring down the curtain, the farce is played out.”

― François Rabelais



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February 02, 2018, 11:10 AM
JALLEN
quote:
Originally posted by PASig:
Seems kind of underwhelming. Confused


Not a bit.

It is akin to having a policeman arrest you and falsely tell the court you had a pistol. On that basis you are kept in custody and prosecuted.

False information, known unverified, unsupported “evidence” is very bad.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
February 02, 2018, 11:11 AM
parabellum
quote:
Originally posted by PASig:
Seems kind of underwhelming. Confused
Jesus Christ. You haven't even read the memo.
February 02, 2018, 11:15 AM
S600MBUSA
I did hear earlier that the president agreed the memo should be released without redactions, so when we see the full text, all names should be intact.


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Their system of ethics, which regards treachery and violence as virtues rather than vices, has produced a code of honour so strange and inconsistent, that it is incomprehensible to a logical mind.

-Winston Churchill, writing of the Pashtun
February 02, 2018, 11:16 AM
Sigmanic
quote:
Not a bit.

It is akin to having a policeman arrest you and falsely tell the court you had a pistol. On that basis you are kept in custody and prosecuted.

False information, known unverified, unsupported “evidence” is very bad.




Especially at this incredibly high level of these agencies. Fodder for a Clancy novel, really.
February 02, 2018, 11:20 AM
S600MBUSA
LINK TO MEMO TEXT


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Their system of ethics, which regards treachery and violence as virtues rather than vices, has produced a code of honour so strange and inconsistent, that it is incomprehensible to a logical mind.

-Winston Churchill, writing of the Pashtun
February 02, 2018, 11:24 AM
justjoe
quote:
Fodder for a Clancy novel, really.


If two years ago you tried to pitch a novel in which the FBI acted as the agents of the corrupt Democrat party, and ginned up phony FISA surveillance of the Republican candidate, with the main stream media acting as a Pravda-like propaganda machine-- no publisher would take it. Too preposterous. I mean, c'mon. In America??. Get serious.


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February 02, 2018, 11:24 AM
Pipe Smoker
President Trump vaults to 49% approval rating.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...l-rating-voters.html



Serious about crackers
February 02, 2018, 11:25 AM
signewt
quote:
False information, known unverified, unsupported “evidence” is very bad.


As such, doesn't this whole bag of crap fall into some legal variation of "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" and any/all proceedings based on such information thrown out completely?

That this kind of flawed process was allowed in the first place demonstrates the need for oversight and public transparency. Whatever the argument for hiding this error, simply can not support the claim 'secrecy' is essential. This demonstrates the very vital need for that oversight.

This is evidence failure of the people IN the system, not the architecture of that system. The flaw of the system, is to have allowed suspension of transparency far too long. IMHO.


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February 02, 2018, 11:27 AM
soflaac
Memo site link seems to be pretty busy at the moment. Big Grin



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February 02, 2018, 11:28 AM
Shifferbrains
Keep in mind that this is not everything, but just the tip of the iceberg. The snowball has just started to run downhill.
February 02, 2018, 11:29 AM
soflaac
quote:
Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
Keep in mind that this is not everything, but just the tip of the iceberg. The snowball has just started to run downhill.



'Zactly



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February 02, 2018, 11:30 AM
gw3971
They really should have released this on Tuesday. The next three days America will be preoccupied with the stupor bowl.
February 02, 2018, 11:30 AM
JALLEN
quote:
Originally posted by signewt:
quote:
False information, known unverified, unsupported “evidence” is very bad.


As such, doesn't this whole bag of crap fall into some legal variation of "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree" and any/all proceedings based on such information thrown out completely?

That this kind of flawed process was allowed in the first place demonstrates the need for oversight and public transparency. Whatever the argument for hiding this error, simply can not support the claim 'secrecy' is essential. This demonstrates the very vital need for that oversight.

This is evidence failure of the people IN the system, not the architecture of that system. The flaw of the system, is to have allowed suspension of transparency far too long. IMHO.


That could be. We’ll see. The devil is in the details.

I would think it complicates proving any claims, injects reasonable doubt in an uncomfortable degree.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
February 02, 2018, 11:30 AM
justjoe
This link seems to be working... worked for me:

https://www.axios.com/read-nun...95-628d2f67bcdf.html


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