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If Mosby does not get her way, Baltimore may burn a little bit but she is burning what few bridges she has left. I suspect that sooner or later she will have few if any allies and that her political future will be zero.


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If Mosby fails in all of her attempts to convict the officers, what then would be expected to happen to her? Many appear to believe she is incompetent, mean, vicious, and a panderer to the masses.

Would she lose political support from her normal backers? Would they consider her a loser and look for someone more effective? Would she "go out not with a bang, but a whimper?" Would she have nothing left but her law license, her bad attitude, and her troubled legacy?


She already announced she's not running for re-election, she is probably angling for a cushy appointment or will just be a 'consultant' for some liberal think tank or Soros funded group like BLM.



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It is Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake who announced she would not run for reelection.

Marilyn Mosby is the Baltimore States Attorney (also an elected position).

Marilyn Mosby was just elected in January 2015. She had been in office only 4 months when she charged the 6 police officers in the Freddie Gray accidental death incident.

Mosby's husband has announced he will run for Baltimore mayor in the upcoming 2016 mayor election.
 
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It is Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake who announced she would not run for reelection.

Marilyn Mosby is the Baltimore States Attorney (also an elected position).

Marilyn Mosby was just elected in January 2015. She had been in office only 4 months when she charged the 6 police officers in the Freddie Gray accidental death incident.

Mosby's husband has announced he will run for Baltimore mayor in the upcoming 2016 mayor election.


D'oh! That's what I get for skimming quickly and replying! Thanks for the correction.



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If Mosby continues to fire attorneys because they do not kiss her ass or publically support her, her department will become severely dysfunctional. Anyone in power who abuses such power ruins their department or administration. It would appear to me that 3.5 more years of Mosby will push Baltimore farther down the road they are on.


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If Mosby fails in all of her attempts to convict the officers, what then would be expected to happen to her? Many appear to believe she is incompetent, mean, vicious, and a panderer to the masses.

Would she lose political support from her normal backers? Would they consider her a loser and look for someone more effective? Would she "go out not with a bang, but a whimper?" Would she have nothing left but her law license, her bad attitude, and her troubled legacy?
You watch how the particular scenario you mentioned above will be spun if it actually occurs. I'll frame it for you...

Mosby did her level best, but the current system is so corrupt and stacked against black people, even an attorney of her stature (puke) could do nothing to obtain justice for that poor, poor, man named Freddie, murdered by the police. So everyone needs to rise up and join with Marilyn in protesting this injustice by burning down a substantial portion of Baltimore. So even in failure, Mosby becomes a rallying point.

Sound about right?


bigdeal, I was getting ready to type up and post the exact same thing. The people on that side have ignored reality, facts and evidence...just like their president.
 
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If Mosby continues to fire attorneys because they do not kiss her ass or publically support her, her department will become severely dysfunctional. Anyone in power who abuses such power ruins their department or administration. It would appear to me that 3.5 more years of Mosby will push Baltimore farther down the road they are on.


You mean kind of like what Holder did to transform the Justice Department into the Just Us Department or what Obama is doing to the military. God help us if we have to fight a war after he and his DOD Secretary get done gutting the services.
 
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OT, but how screwed up can the Democrats be ?

House Democrats meet in Baltimore next week to hear Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Barack Obama, and climate change activist Tom Steyer.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160112-story.html

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden will address House Democrats at their annual issues conference in Baltimore later this month, a White House official confirmed Tuesday.

House Democrats will meet in the city for their annual issues retreat at the end of the month, a gathering that is closed to the public. The president is expected to attend on Jan. 28.

A spokeswoman for the House Democratic Caucus chairman, Rep. Xavier Becerra of California, did not respond to a request for information about the retreat.

Becerra told Politico that Rawlings-Blake's appearance is intended to give "folks that understand the city of Baltimore the chance to speak about Baltimore."

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If Mosby does not get her way, Baltimore may burn a little bit but she is burning what few bridges she has left. I suspect that sooner or later she will have few if any allies and that her political future will be zero.

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If Mosby does not get her way, Baltimore may burn a little bit but she is burning what few bridges she has left. I suspect that sooner or later she will have few if any allies and that her political future will be zero.

Every grey cloud has a silver lining.
And that silver lining in the cloud was papered over with 6.4 million dollar bills.


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http://thedailyrecord.com/2016...freddie-gray-appeal/

Attorneys for Officer Caesar Goodson, whose trial in connection with the death of Freddie Gray is on hold due to an appeal of a ruling that a fellow officer must testify against him, filed motions shortly after his trial was supposed to start claiming his right to a speedy trial is being violated.

The motions were filed Jan. 15 with the Baltimore City Circuit Court and the Court of Specials Appeals but were only recently made available via the circuit court website, where filings related to the case against the six officers charged in connection with Gray’s death are posted.

In a motion to the circuit court, Goodson argues he was not able to properly object to his case being stayed by the Court of Special Appeals on Jan. 11, when jury selection was scheduled to begin.

“Given the extreme brevity of the entire proceeding, neither the State nor the Defense was able to address this Honorable Court,” the motion states, claiming Judge Barry Williams was on the bench for mere minutes to announce the stay before recessing.

The Court of Special Appeals stayed Williams’ order and the Goodson proceedings pending the outcome of the appeal, which is not scheduled for argument until March 4.

Maryland law requires a defendant be brought to trial within 180 days of his or her counsel’s appearance; Goodson’s trial date, set in the fall, was 236 days after his indictment.

Goodson argued in the motion his speedy trial rights are violated by the delay, which was brought on by the prosecution’s trial strategy and has “created chaos.”

In a motion to the appellate court requesting the stay be lifted, Goodson argues prosecutors have known for months that Porter would refuse to testify if called by the state.

At a motions hearing Jan. 6, all parties acknowledged there was no appellate guidance on whether Williams could compel Porter’s testimony with immunity.

The delay “rewards the State for its trial tactics, lack of preparation, and lack of evidence,” according to the motion, which also seeks a dismissal of the indictment.
 
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Would it be better for Goodson if he waited until 180 days to file this complaint?


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Officer Goodson had legal representation making filings 250 days ago.

The charges were made 1 May 2015.

I think he is already beyond 180 days.
 
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As if this whole cluster wasn't already a big enough disaster, we now have this. Goodson's indictment should get kicked due to not meeting the state law governing prosecution. However, given this is Baltimore and surrounds the Freddie Gray case, who knows how the appellate court will react to Goodson's appeal. However, if the appellate court handles this appropriately, it might just start the dominoes falling in the right direction.


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Article by a law school professor arguing why Baltimore should pay 2 million for outside lawyers to help with the DoJ investigation of Baltimore Police.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160128-story.html

Three dangerous storm clouds now hang over Baltimore in the wake of the spring's Freddie Gray riots. First, police/community relations continue to deteriorate seriously.

Second, violent crime continues to rise dramatically.

Third, there is continued fear about recurrences of the spring disorders — especially with an acquittal of any of the six police defendants facing trials alleging criminal malpractices leading to Freddie Gray's death.

There can be no doubt that the spring riots crippled the city's already fragile economy. Further unrest would almost certainly aggravate that situation.

In the face of all this, there is broad agreement that the successful and prompt conclusion of the Justice Department's present civil rights investigation of Baltimore's policing practices will result, as has been true of these investigations nationwide, in highly effective police reforms, leading both to dramatically improved police/community relations and a substantial decrease in crime.

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So what DoJ police investigation has led to substantial decrease in crime ?

Is this "broad agreement" similar to "settled science" ?
 
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"The Freddie Gray episode is universally understood, especially by the Justice Department, as a symptom of a systemic breakdown of police/community relations."

These people do not have a clue about law and order. I expect Baltimore to continue on it's downward spiral until crime is exceedingly rampant and residents are dying daily. Perhaps then people will wake up and have some understanding of the truth.


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As one reads about the prosecutors' positions, it could not be plainer they want a conviction without any consideration of justice.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160202-story.html

Attorneys for Baltimore Police Officer Edward M. Nero have asked the court to throw out the second-degree assault charge against him in the arrest of Freddie Gray, alleging prosecutors have failed to outline actions that constitute the crime.

Short of dismissing the charge, Nero's attorneys have asked the court to block prosecutors from mentioning key aspects of their theory during Nero's upcoming trial, including an alleged lack of probable cause for pursuing and arresting Gray.

They also want to block prosecutors from from using key evidence in the case, including citizen video of the arrest and the knife found on Gray.

They also ask that prosecutors be barred from discussing the injuries Gray suffered after his arrest while in the back of a police transport van, arguing none of the charges against Nero require "any showing of injury in order for the State to satisfy the elements of the offenses."

The arguments were made in a series of defense motions filed this week in Nero's case, which is set to go to trial on Feb. 22 in downtown Baltimore.

Nero's trial will focus heavily on Gray's initial arrest.

Witnesses to the arrest and police have described the arresting officers using tactical maneuvers to restrain Gray, and citizen video of the interaction showed Gray screaming in pain and then dangling his legs beneath him while being walked to a police transport van.

However, prosecutors don't contend that Gray was injured during his initial arrest. They have, however, said Nero and the other arresting officers lacked the probable cause they needed to stop Gray, and detained him before ever noticing the switchblade knife for which he was arrested.

Prosecutors had initially suggested in charging Nero that the knife was legal under state law, though police and the attorneys for the officers have said the knife is illegal under city code. Prosecutors later changed their theory, suggesting the legality of the knife was moot because Gray's rights had been violated prior to the discovery of the knife.

In prosecutors' initial description of the assault charge in June, they wrote that Nero had caused "offensive physical contact with and physical harm to" Gray, and that the contact "was the result of an intentional act" and "not legally justified in that the Defendant used force to place Mr. Gray under arrest without probable cause."

Nero's attorneys have said Nero and his fellow officers were within their rights to pursue Gray after he fled unprovoked from officers in a known drug area targeted for drug enforcement , and that Gray was legally detained and legally arrested after officers found the knife.

In their new motion to have the case dismissed, they argue there is no legal precedent anywhere in the country for charging an officer with assault based on a perceived lack of probable cause.

"Common sense dictates that officers would simply not make arrests if they were subject to criminal prosecution if it was later determined that probable cause did not exist," they wrote. "The long term established remedy for a Fourth Amendment Constitutional violation has always been suppression of the evidence. Therefore, the State has not demonstrated that a crime can even be committed under its theory of this case."

"Police officers, as opposed to citizens, as necessitated by their duties, are permitted to utilize physical contact that is not consented to which would otherwise be an assault in the course of a lawful arrest," they wrote. "The standard against which police officers are judged is not that of a reasonable civilian in the same situation, but that of a reasonable police officer similarly situated."

Prosecutors, meanwhile, filed a motion this week seeking to block Nero's defense from referencing things about Gray's past — including his previous criminal record or previous encounters with law enforcement.

Such information could contribute to an officer's reasonable and articulable suspicion of a detainee who flees from officers, experts have said, but the prosecution argues it would mislead jurors. They also said there is "no indication that Officer Nero even knew the identity of Mr. Gray" at the time of Gray's arrest, and that what he learned about Gray after the arrest "is irrelevant."

David Jaros, a University of Baltimore law professor, said Judge Barry G. Williams will have to consider whether the state so narrowly construed its initial explanation of the charges against Nero that a shift now to other theories would violate Nero's rights.
 
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What a goatfuck. If David Baldacci wrote a novel with a plot like that, the reviewers and readers would laugh at him and roll their eyes.



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Nero's attorneys have said Nero and his fellow officers were within their rights to pursue Gray after he fled unprovoked from officers in a known drug area targeted for drug enforcement , and that Gray was legally detained and legally arrested after officers found the knife.In their new motion to have the case dismissed, they argue there is no legal precedent anywhere in the country for charging an officer with assault based on a perceived lack of probable cause.


It appears to me that the prosecutors are throwing as much up as possible, hoping something will stick. Going after the officers is pandering to the complainers, and pushing Baltimore more into the cesspool.


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http://www.foxnews.com/politic...r.html?intcmp=hplnws

A prominent Black Lives Matter activist has made a late entry into the Democratic race for Baltimore mayor.

DeRay Mckesson filed to run Wednesday, the deadline for candidates in Maryland's April 26 primary. He joins a dozen contenders, including former Mayor Sheila Dixon, who will seek to succeed Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.

In Baltimore, as in other heavily Democratic cities, the primary has long determined the general election winner. The city has not had a Republican mayor since Theordore McKeldin, who served from 1963 to 1967.

Rawlings-Blake opted not to run after last year's unrest over the death of Freddie Gray in police custody, saying she wanted to focus on seeing the city through the trials of six officers charged in the case.

Mckesson, a Baltimore native, has been a prominent figure in protests over Gray's case, as well as the August 2014 death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.

Mckesson told The Baltimore Sun that he expects to release a platform within a week, and acknowledged that his late entry into the race would mean he'd have some catching up to do.

"We can't rely on traditional pathways to politics and the traditional politicians who walk those paths if we want transformational change," he told the paper.

Mckesson's prominence in the Black Lives Matter movement has made him a sought-after endorsement in this year's race for the Democratic presidential nomination. He has met with both Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders, as well as White House Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett.


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