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I'm not a doctor but I take it that they took her off life support to see if she can live on her own. They put it back after the first time. Then tried again and just let her pass the second time. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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She won the Darwin award for the day. _________________________ | |||
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1. Death/Incarceration doesn't perhaps prevent inequity. But it does help reduce how many people are subject to it - one less person in a position of inequity. 2. Death/Incarceration isn't supposed to be a solution for inequity. It's a solution to crimes committed against society. 3. State punishment is not acceptable? Personal punishment is acceptable? If not, who is responsible for exercising punishment? Or is the belief that there is no crime - all crime is justifiable for one reason or another (some sort of inequity)? I'm poor so theft is okay? I'm ugly so rape is okay? If under anarchy the community doles out punishment, isn't that just a form of government punishment, albeit less formal? 4. No matter the inequity, is one not responsible for one's actions? And so one should be held accountable for one's actions? Accountability and punishment is separate from forgiveness / restorative justice. Forgive all you want, punishment and accountability must still be mete out. Yin/Yang; Reaction/Response. Balance. Crime and Punishment. I just don't understand the way people these people think. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Sounds like everyone got what they wanted. Win-win. "Now none of the frightened soldiers moved, for they saw that cowardice and valor purchased equal plots in the snipers' killing field" | |||
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Just what was she baking? My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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"The meek shall inherit the earth - a six-foot plot above them." - Arthur Unknown | |||
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This has to be the truest definition of Misdemeanor Murder in History. | |||
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I had to look this up. "Carceral punishment is a critical mechanism of simultaneously insisting on white innocence while using state punishment to exact violence against people of color." Bullshit. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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She is one of those "bad things don't happen to righteous, good people like me" types who figure this exempts themselves from violence and crime. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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They gauge themselves wiser than everyone else, and virtue-signal this with statements such as "Don't punish the guy who caused the death of our family member." But, you see that when the rubber met the road (sorry) this gal tried to get her money back from the poor, disadvantaged victim of the cis-gendered white patriarchy. | |||
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If it wasn't for her own sense of "white supremacy and entitlement", she'd still be alive today! The nerve of this woman attempting to reclaim or even RETAIN personal property. Now apply this same "standard" to those resisting domestic violence or sexual assault. What's the justification for punishing those intent on immediate gratification for physical/emotional (vs material) desires?  Ultimately, it's all about the racism of low expectations and the inherent belief that "some people" (those demanding/expecting/benefiting from "equity") are incapable of behaving in a civilized manner, with restraint. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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Could you imagine what our country would look like if they were the founding fathers? We would have never developed. It is a good thing punishment is not up to the fiends and family. | |||
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The family wants restorative justice. From Wikipedia : “Restorative justice is an approach to justice where one of the responses to a crime is to organize a meeting between the victim and the offender… I’m good with idea. Since she is dead we have to arrange a meeting with the naughty boys in the afterlife. | |||
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It is possible that your assumption that these people think may be a bridge too far. Perhaps they are stuck on “the feelz” and don’t make it so far as thinking. | |||
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Progressive Democrats are the "enemy inside the gate." Russia and Iran are outside the gate and China is knocking at the gate's door. The West Coast states from the Mexican to Canadian border have governments that is at war with America. More not less incarceration of violent criminals is the answer not the idiotic restorative justice of having a sit-down chat and have the anti-social personality whine about how their absent addicted parents are to blame. U.S. Army 11F4P Vietnam 69-70 NRA Life Member | |||
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Actually the incarceration rate in California is very high. One reason may be the Mexican drug trade, and the other is the super light punishments given for felony crimes. A friend was a LEO in San Fran. for a while. He has arrested some individuals who had 30-35 felony arrests on their record. The subsequent jail time for each felony was usually between 3 weeks and 2 months. Much of this was due to the short sighted court system trying to save money. To the repeat criminal, he was already a felon so one more arrest just gave him a short vacation with "three hots and a cot". -c1steve | |||
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I've always admired your tag-line, much in the same vein as 'It doesn't matter how far and fast you run, you'll always end up standing in your own footprints.' | |||
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Yup, the push by DA offices, compliant police chiefs and accommodating judges to reduce incarceration rates...by simply not jailing offenders. Never mind they broke the law(s), likely cost the victim their property, their sanity and possibly their livelihood, the push to reduce and keep only the most heinous people in jail, is paramount to their cause. It's a remarkable inability for people to connect the dots, bad people need to be separated from society, period. Some can be rehabilitated, others are too far gone. If you can't function as a contributing adult to society (we don't ask for much as a community), then you get removed. | |||
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Some people cannot or will not associate their choices with consequences. The consequences to this victim were indirect but still obvious for anyone willing to accept truth. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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