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Great to see that they are training for a bad event.

As we all know - it happens unfortunately.

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http://www.fayobserver.com/new...-mass-shooting-video

By Drew Brooks
Military editor

The Gen. Roscoe Robinson Health Clinic on Fort Bragg was eerily quiet as a team of armed security personnel made its way through the clinic’s halls.

Checking each room it came upon, the team of five cautiously made its way from door to door, the members softly talking to one another over the faint sounds of soldiers shouting for help in the building’s lobby.


A single gunshot broke the quiet, spurring the team ahead quicker than before. As one of the officers — carrying a ballistic shield — turned a corner, a cacophony of gunfire echoed across the clinic.

This was only a drill. But officials at Womack Army Medical Center said the scenario — in which a shooter wreacks havoc across a Fort Bragg clinic — is not too far-fetched.

And thanks to the exercise held Thursday, the hospital and its staff will be better prepared, said David Dixon, training coordinator at Womack Army Medical Center.

The mass casualty exercise is one of several conducted each year by hospital officials on Fort Bragg. Each time, the scenario changes. The hospital could practice a response to a plane crash, chemical attack and any number of other emergencies that could create a lot of injuries fast.

Dixon said the active shooter scenario mimics what has been seen elsewhere in the country, including at other Army installations.

“These kinds of things don’t happen on Fort Bragg, but we need to be prepared,” he said. “It’s all about trying to prepare.”

For the training, officials closed the Robinson Health Clinic for the afternoon. The clinic primarily serves soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division and their families.

Thursday’s exercise began when a role player entered the clinic carrying an Uzi. The mock trail of chaos inside was already set.

Soldiers played the part of the dead and wounded, representing 68 casualties — including 15 “killed.”

Inside the clinic, officials watched to see how staff responded. In a perfect world, the staff would try to flee or barricade themselves in offices.

Once the clinic was clear of any danger, it would then be up to staff and specially trained medics — who arrived at the scene wearing body armor — to triage patients.

At Womack Army Medical Center, officials would have been alerted to the attack and spun up their own response, preparing emergency rooms for the influx of wounded.

The scenarios are designed to stress the health care system, officials said, forcing staff to work under plenty of pressure.

“There’s a lot that goes on,” Dixon said of the response across Fort Bragg. “The wheels start spinning.”

Military editor Drew Brooks can be reached at dbrooks@fayobserver.com or 486-3567.

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Not too bad, except for at 0:11 when the one officer sweeps the back and head of the point person several times as they enter the room.

Out of curiosity, when in a stack and the front two officers engage and need to reload, to they drop back and allow another officer to take their place while they reload?




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This is not me being snarky, but who are the security folks featured in this video? They are sweeping each other with their weapon and do not appear to be even remotely in shape, I cannot believe they are military. (The one kid walking backwards constantly has his finger gripping the trigger).

Glad they are trying to prepare, but it is difficult for this Marine's mind to understand that the base where Green Berets are trained, has its clinic guarded by these guys.



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Probably DOD cops, I never once wore anything other than my acu's for work/training
 
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I didn't think they look bad at all. I agree I think they are DOD LE.

Easy to arm-chair QB. Not everybody is John Wick.

I'm sure they will AAR it and get better. At least they are doing something to develop a response force.

Sadly this is a requirement these days.

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They appear to be civilian security guards (GS-0085) for the medical center. Not military, and not DoD Police (GS-0083).

Their shirts read "Security Officer" and "Womack DASG" (Department of the Army Security Guard).
 
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Anyone have any thoughts about allowing our troops to carry while on the post?

Who was the dumb shit who came up with that stupid freaking idea in the first place? Klinton?


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they also walk right past that long counter without anyone visibly checking behind it.




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I didn't think they look bad at all. I agree I think they are DOD LE.

Easy to arm-chair QB. Not everybody is John Wick.

I'm sure they will AAR it and get better. At least they are doing something to develop a response force.

Sadly this is a requirement these days.

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True it is easy, but what I saw in that video was pretty darn bad. They have a lot of work to do.
I'm not putting anyone down but that really was bad.


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Anyone have any thoughts about allowing our troops to carry while on the post?

Yea, I do - when seconds count this team is minutes away. I all for CCW on base.




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I didn't think they look bad at all. I agree I think they are DOD LE.

Easy to arm-chair QB. Not everybody is John Wick.

I'm sure they will AAR it and get better. At least they are doing something to develop a response force.

Sadly this is a requirement these days.

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Anyone have any thoughts about allowing our troops to carry while on the post?

Who was the dumb shit who came up with that stupid freaking idea in the first place? Klinton?


I am pretty sure it was Bush Sr. Sounds totally crazy to me as well.


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After watching the video a few times, it appears that the first two in the stack are a lot more experienced and trained than the other three. The first two demonstrate an economy of motion and competence. The other three look like they're going through the motions and freak out at the gunfire while first two actively engage




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What phase of training are they in? Don't give a shit about what level of pipe hitter you are now you started off by fucking up. What's the intent of the video?
 
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Ft. Bragg is the home of the Army SOC, and 1st SF command yet this is who is allowed to carry on base, interesting.

Might be a stretch but I'm willing to bet some of those SF guys might have a little more skill.
 
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Crawl, walk, run.

They don't need us to figure it out. They'll get the training they need.
 
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Anyone have any thoughts about allowing our troops to carry while on the post?

Who was the dumb shit who came up with that stupid freaking idea in the first place? Klinton?

Not defending the Clinton's here, at all, but...
It was during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, that the U.S. Department of Defense issued a directive in February 1992 affecting the carrying of firearms on bases by military personnel. That directive was eventually implemented through a regulation 190-14 issued by the Department of the Army (not via executive order) in March 1993, just two months after President Clinton assumed office.
 
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Ft. Bragg is the home of the Army SOC, and 1st SF command yet this is who is allowed to carry on base, interesting.

Might be a stretch but I'm willing to bet some of those SF guys might have a little more skill.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.

You have some of the best trained members of the military there, shooter would likely be military, and you send in civilians who are less trained and seen less shit?

That's government logic for you. Big Grin

But I don't see why any Soldier who meets the state requirement for concealed carry is not allowed to conceal carry on base. We trust these guys/gals to eat/sleep/shit/shower with their weapons deployed yet don't trust them to carry concealed at home?


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Anyone have any thoughts about allowing our troops to carry while on the post?


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But I don't see why any Soldier who meets the state requirement for concealed carry is not allowed to conceal carry on base. We trust these guys/gals to eat/sleep/shit/shower with their weapons deployed yet don't trust them to carry concealed at home?


That's now allowable, per a new DoD directive issued at the end of last year. But it's left up to the individual commanders' discretion whether to allow it for troops under their command.

http://www.militarytimes.com/a...-military-recruiters

http://www.military.com/daily-...y-firearms-base.html
 
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Crawl, walk, run.

They don't need us to figure it out. They'll get the training they need.


Thank you, the first three words that came to mind before my response. I've trained a few people, shit that happens during the walk phase can be hilarious and youtube worthy but watching a STATED training video and assuming it's the end product is fucked up thinking.
 
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