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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I think you missed the point. The government was paying people $25 per hour, now $17.50 an hour to sit on their asses. This is artificial price manipulation, not an invisible hand at work here. Yes if workers demanded more pay and consumers were willing to pay higher prices then let economics work itself out. Not at all what we are dealing with here.

So you're surprised people are following basic economic principles?

The $25 or $17.50 per hour is the maximum, which is usually only for larger families on a single income household. The average is much lower than that, usually somewhere around $12-15/hour for an individual. Nobody is getting rich off of unemployment nor was it the majority of the COVID relief package.

No sympathy for businesses paying less than $12/hour. None.

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Originally posted by Ironmike57:

I am in about 10-15 restaurants a night.

Wow, you must be really hungry!

Maybe you could try an all-you-want buffet, then you wouldn't have to go to so many restaurants.

No way man! Have you ever been to a Golden Corral? I am around 250 and I would be the smallest person in the room. Besides, I am a foodie and enjoy the finer menus.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Ironmike57:

I am in about 10-15 restaurants a night.

Wow, you must be really hungry!

Maybe you could try an all-you-want buffet, then you wouldn't have to go to so many restaurants.

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Originally posted by caneau:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I think you missed the point. The government was paying people $25 per hour, now $17.50 an hour to sit on their asses. This is artificial price manipulation, not an invisible hand at work here. Yes if workers demanded more pay and consumers were willing to pay higher prices then let economics work itself out. Not at all what we are dealing with here.

So you're surprised people are following basic economic principles?

The $25 or $17.50 per hour is the maximum, which is usually only for larger families on a single income household. The average is much lower than that, usually somewhere around $12-15/hour for an individual. Nobody is getting rich off of unemployment nor was it the majority of the COVID relief package.

No sympathy for businesses paying less than $12/hour. None.

Beg to differ on that one I've got a family member her husband and two kids are banging down eight grand a month sitting on their butts.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
Restaurants by me are giving an extra $100 per paycheck just to try and keep people. It’s just more proof that the more help you give people the less motivated they become.

Just look how welfare has actually crushed the black and rural white community.

Its actually another shining example of government screwing up everything it touches. Want something FUBAR's, have government handle it.

Guy I spoke with who owns a local moving company told me with all the people moving into and around Florida right now, he has a goldmine sitting in front of him that he can't tap because he can't find and keep employees to do the job. But yeah people, vote for more Dem's so we can have more of this 'success'.

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Originally posted by caneau:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I think you missed the point. The government was paying people $25 per hour, now $17.50 an hour to sit on their asses. This is artificial price manipulation, not an invisible hand at work here. Yes if workers demanded more pay and consumers were willing to pay higher prices then let economics work itself out. Not at all what we are dealing with here.

So you're surprised people are following basic economic principles?

The $25 or $17.50 per hour is the maximum, which is usually only for larger families on a single income household. The average is much lower than that, usually somewhere around $12-15/hour for an individual. Nobody is getting rich off of unemployment nor was it the majority of the COVID relief package.

No sympathy for businesses paying less than $12/hour. None.

Once again you have missed the point, also you don't know how it works. The point of the discussion is that an artificial floor has been created for employees under the package. That is the problem. I think you are trying to discuss a minimum wage. The job in question from the OPs article pays $25 per hour, so the minimum wage doesn't matter.

Even at $17.50 an hour there a number of people who would rather sit at home and do nothing and collect $17.50 per hour. A lot of those people are young people who live in their parents basements who'd normally be doing entry level work like working in restaurants or child care or any other entry level job. Even in the case of a married couple that makes more money it still has an effect. Let's say husband and wife make $30 per hour each or $4,800 per month. Under the now lower amounts $17.50 per hour or $2,800 per month. Husband has been working the whole pandemic, but wife had to quit her job because of lack of child care. Prior to pandemic they paid $1,500 per month for daycare for their kid, so the wife was bringing $3,300 per month after daycare, but she spent $300 a month on gas and $200 per month on dry cleaning for work. Now she's making $2,800 for doing nothing or exactly what she would be making to work 40 hours a week and let kids be raised by crappy daycare workers in a germ factory. It's a no brainer for that wife to stay at home with her kids to earn the exact same net money. Even worse, let's say her pride kicks in and she says she rather work then live off the government, even if it means she has to send her kid back to a gross daycare. So she calls up her work, they are happy to hear she's willing to come back and offer her the exact position and pay she had before, she's happy too. Then she calls the daycare up and says she wants to re-enroll her kid, but is informed that they have raised the rates $100 per week because they had to raise their pay to entice their employees to come back to work and the rate is now $1,900 per month. The wife thinks about it and says f&$k that I'm not going to go back to work just to lose $400 a month from what I'm currently making and miss out on time with my kid.

Lastly let's say for some reason they decide to pass a law tomorrow doubling the minimum wage effective on May first of this year. How does that effect this discussion? The answer is, that it doesn't, because that would put the minimum wage at $14.50 per hour or $3.00 per hour less than what people are currently paid to do nothing or $15.50 less per hour that the wife in my example, or $10.50 less per hour than in the OPs example.

One last, last thing to add. It's a flat rate that unemployment pays. All or nothing and is not based on pay, does matter if you earned min wage or $100k per year, it also doesn't account for family size. For example Maryland $430 per week, plus the initial $600 per week, now $300. It's a flat amount based solely on employment status and no other factors. That is where the $25 and $17.50 numbers are coming from. So for Maryland 1 $1,070/40 = $26.75 per hour, now $770/40 = $18.25. Each state sets their own UI rate, but the Federal portion is not adjusted for cost of living in a state. I used Maryland just because I happen to know their rate off hand.

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A lot is regional. Here in Oregon, a number of counties are going backward in lockdown, so restaurants, bars and the like will have to let people go again, that they just hired 3-4 weeks ago. So, people do still require govt. support, if same government cuts off their income because of da Virus.

Plus, a lot of older people are leaving the work force, SSN is kicking in, their 401K is doing well, perhaps a spouse is still working. Why get a 13 an Hr job, when one once made 35+ per hour, in such circumstances.

I guess I should post my last 3 1/2 years experience in the rant section. IT worker, so if you've followed their plight over the past 25 years, you know what happened to me - finally.

Plus, is there not some insane extra child pay in the bill these Bolsheviks in Congress passed, that pays more than a monthly income even above minimum wage? This I believe is even worse than the 300 a week the Feds a paying out.

Individuals will behave like a company. When I work I expect to make a profit just like the company I work for. If there is no profit for me, I'm not going to waste my time, especially if I have a decent financial foundation to survive on - perhaps not in super luxury, but far from living in a tent in downtown Portland OR.

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Originally posted by mrapteam666:
I also think it is where you live and your skill set.

Now that my LE career is dead after 15 years (it was not by choice at first but now with all the social woke crap, I am done) I have been looking for work for about 7 months with no leads.

I am currently in Indiana, and looking at moving back to Ohio for any work. The Laborers Union here in Indianapolis called me within two days of sending them an email and asked if I would be interested doing underground tunnel work.
(The problem I am running into is that housing is limited and the prices are sky high)

I would like to stay in the Raleigh/Durham area because that is where the house is but I have had two phone calls for labor jobs and they were paying $10-$12 but I would have to drive an hour.

In Durham I pay taxes, and cannot check certain boxes so I am not even glanced at.

Heck, I just want to get out of the house, work with my hands and do physical labor.

So that is why I am looking at relocating to anywhere.

I told my dad the other day on the phone, that I had no idea it would be this hard to get a job running a jack hammer, or drilling wells.

Hahhahaha.

If you’re willing to relocate to the MA area we will hire on the spot. Concrete restoration work. We are needing to put on a ton of guys. If you’re interested shoot me an email.

mrapteam666:
If West Virginia interests you, I can connect you to asphalt paving work with the largest such company in the state.
Physical work, pays well, is seasonal (work hard for 7-8 months, make good money, have 3-4 months off).
Email is in my profile.

I have noticed this trend locally as well. Practically EVERYWHERE that I go now has signs in their windows stating "Help Wanted" or "Now Hiring"!

My nearest Jack's restaurant still hasn't opened its dining room and is drive-thru only. Last time there about a week ago, I asked when they would reopen as my everyone else already had. I was told that they didn't have enough employees to open the dining room, and nobody would come in and apply for a job! A nearby Burger King has a sign up on the drive-thru asking for "patience" in processing orders as they were basically running on a skeleton crew, despite having big signs up about wanting new employees! Heck, even my nearby Ace Hardware has signs up, and practically nobody working inside!

As I said to my wife the other day, who the heck wants to work and deal with the public when they make more sitting at home on their ass???

What a fucking shame. How about some pride and self respect? Get off your ass and get to work.

I bet if the unemployment had to be paid back via taxes then people wouldn't be sitting on their asses like this. But I see it as another scheme to keep people voting a certain way.

I'm wondering what's going to happen when people have to start paying mortgages again. Are we going to see massive foreclosures?

My neighbor is an electrician and asked me if I wanted to be one.
Guys on his crew are about $20 an hour and make the same or better with the Bullshit unemployment.

Our shop is the same as it ever was, older guys retiring and no real talent to replace them.
We've been losing guys for quite a while with new hires few and far between.
The weekend shift is down to three of us (from 14) and has been like this for a few years now.

Just got this email from a local BBQ place I really like:

No worries Bama - the Government will take over soon enough and nationalize our food services and restaurant industry.

Intelligent human resources personnel are an oxymoron and therefore employees are hard to find & retain.

VictimNoMore and ffemt44:

Thank you for the help
I will be reaching out to you this weekend to provide my information and background.

I would be looking to start after the second week of June.

I have been invited to attend a Explosives Recognition/Post Blast/Crime Scene Investigator course at the National Center for Explosives Training and Research (NCETR) at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama.

With that being said I am using my down time to obtain various certifications such Hazwoper 40 and OSHA 10.

I appreciate all of the help and suggestions.

Stay safe everyone.

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Originally posted by mrapteam666:
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I have been invited to attend a Explosives Recognition/Post Blast/Crime Scene Investigator course at the National Center for Explosives Training and Research (NCETR) at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama.
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If you do make it to Huntsville, shoot me an e-mail at the address in my profile and we can meet up for a range session and dinner while you're here!

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Just got this email from a local BBQ place I really like:

Now today from the burger joint that we really like:

That extra covid pay can't end soon enough. Lots of places around here advertising for help. A couple of the fast food places and coffee shops have had to close down early because they didn't have the staff to work.

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Originally posted by mrapteam666:
In the Raleigh/Durham area I have been offered positions for about 11-13.

The local Walmart in our tiny town starts out higher than that. The kid next door started there last fall part time and is now full time making close to $20/hr stocking shelves. Granted, housing is pretty expensive at the moment.

Hiring is tough here in FL, we've been open for dining for quite a while, the lockdown though sent many in the food service industry home unemployed from Disney to Dunkin Do-Nuts...

Lots of places need help and have advertising out, outside of crazy wage demands/laws some of the shortage is probably due to the large percentage of people still scared shitless about catching COVID from the absurd rules for masks and distancing, vaccine, government and media scare tactics and parents not letting teens out to work in the big scary world.

Although driving around in CFL you'd think there never was a Dempanic, traffic is heavy, stores are open, people are out.