For decades, I've heard that Roger Waters is insane. But I'm thinking now that maybe there's more to it than that.
Oh, don't get me wrong. He acts nuts, but this, well this to me is a "performance artist" who believes their own PR and thinks any whacky shit they come up with is "art".
Waters performed on May 17 at Germany's Mercedes-Benz Arena where, according to local journalists, a screen projected the words, "The show will start in 10 minutes and a court in Frankfurt has ruled that I am not an antisemite." It continued, "Just to be clear, I condemn antisemitism unreservedly."
Despite this declaration, the night was filled with various amounts of offensive and antisemitic images. Most notably, after the concert’s intermission, Waters came onto the stage wearing an SS officer uniform complete with a red armband and a fake rifle. Behind him, an inflatable pig floated above the crowd with Third Reich-style banners with crossed hammers instead of swastikas.
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May 24, 2023, 09:47 PM
1967Goat
It was probably costumes from The Wall movie. These pictures are from the original movie in 1982.
May 24, 2023, 09:50 PM
parabellum
So, he's a thrifty nutbag.
Nevertheless, the venue, the audience...
May 24, 2023, 10:07 PM
cruiser68
Definitely ties into the album The Wall which completely had a definitive world wwII theme but IMO raged against antisemitism and the whole Nazi propaganda.
He may still be insane but oh what I would give to see Pink Floyd, Waters AND Gilmore, perform again before I pass.
May 24, 2023, 10:15 PM
parabellum
If you're so "clever" that your audience (you know, the paying public) doesn't understand what you are doing, what is the point? When it comes to that, it's nothing more than self-gratifying, pretentious bullshit.
May 25, 2023, 07:22 AM
rduckwor
I'll just cut to the chase: I think he's nuts and has been all his life.
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May 25, 2023, 09:51 AM
oddball
quote:
Originally posted by cruiser68: Definitely ties into the album The Wall which completely had a definitive world wwII theme but IMO raged against antisemitism and the whole Nazi propaganda.
The Wall originally was a statement on Water's increased isolation, but later morphed into his own personal antisemitism. He is one of the most prominent advocates for the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement against Israel, his sympathies lie entirely with Palestine, repeatedly stating that Israel has zero interest in peace, but only the Palestines do. He has since used The Wall as a vehicle against Israel.
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May 25, 2023, 10:15 AM
BansheeOne
At any rate, I judge the probability of a Pink Floyd reunion to be low.
May 25, 2023, 10:23 AM
Edmond
quote:
Originally posted by rduckwor: I'll just cut to the chase: I think he's nuts and has been all his life.
RMD
Him and Ginger Baker would've made a group rhythm section in more ways than musically.
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May 25, 2023, 11:37 AM
TMats
Sounds like he is an anti-Semite, even if he has a note from a doctor. Personally, I always thought that once David Gilmour joined the band that Waters was instantly relegated to XO and Gilmour became the band’s leader. That never set well with Waters who, I believe, has an inflated sense of self-importance. That the band continued to record great music and perform epic concerts after his departure, only added to his dissatisfaction. Frankly, Rick Wright’s death is a much bigger blow to the chance for anything called a “reunion” than the presence or absence of Roger Waters.
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May 25, 2023, 12:58 PM
PASig
quote:
Originally posted by rduckwor: I'll just cut to the chase: I think he's nuts and has been all his life.
RMD
Well, isn't the entirely of The Wall about mental illness and Daddy issues? I think the entire album and movie was about Roger Water's life beginning with him losing his father in WWII and dealing with a mother who was mentally ill herself:
May 25, 2023, 01:42 PM
oddball
quote:
Originally posted by PASig: Well, isn't the entirely of The Wall about mental illness and Daddy issues?
From what I understood from interviews with Waters and the producer of the double album, The Wall centered on isolation and alienation, the character Pink based loosely on Waters and Sid Barrett. At the time of the recording, Waters did not like his band members and felt he needed to take complete control, and at the same time felt alienated from Pink Floyd's audience. By all accounts, Waters was a supreme prick to all.
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
May 25, 2023, 03:16 PM
jhe888
Almost everyone thinks Waters is a real asshole, filled with self-importance, and he seems widely agreed to be an anti-semite.
For all that, though, his musical contributions are solid.
In other words, he is like Richard Wagner.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything.
May 25, 2023, 03:54 PM
SevenPlusOne
quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
quote:
Originally posted by cruiser68: Definitely ties into the album The Wall which completely had a definitive world wwII theme but IMO raged against antisemitism and the whole Nazi propaganda.
The Wall originally was a statement on Water's increased isolation, but later morphed into his own personal antisemitism. He is one of the most prominent advocates for the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement against Israel, his sympathies lie entirely with Palestine, repeatedly stating that Israel has zero interest in peace, but only the Palestines do. He has since used The Wall as a vehicle against Israel.
How can someone be Anti-Semitic, but support the Palestinians...who are Semitic people?
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May 25, 2023, 10:28 PM
redstone
They always had a theme along the lines of government and corporate greed, lust for power etc. "The Machine" as it were.
But that can be portrayed without the nazi nonsense. I also thought it was illegal to ever display or use the swastika in Germany?
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May 26, 2023, 08:18 AM
myrottiety
I saw him live in I think 1999 or something like that. Was a phenomenal show. But he was a bit of a D-Bag.
He even opened the show with : "I'd like to think the members of my old band for allowing me to play MY MUSIC..."
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