Not something which looks [overly] hot everywhere or too cold everywhere, but something which makes a government sourced*, handheld IR reader would register the wearer of Subject clothing as just a knucklehead in crowd (like; you have a CCW (perfectly legally) and anyone with IR googles will not see a piece with 7-17 rounds of ammo included)?

*Government sourced because a goobermint contract means "lower cost per unit" and; a lower cost to the general public (kind of like Velcro and Tang )

If it does all that it would be nice for deer hunting come winter here in MN. I’m thinking goose down, just have to figure out something to do with that air you exhale.

My Plan is to get a bunch of these (see link) and a battery pack, and jam the heck out of the IR cameras. works like a charm.

I've always wondered if one of the emergency mylar blankets would hide your infrared signature from one of those helicopters with a device...

this post is going to get me curious to see if a concealed pistol can be picked up by infrared.... I have a fairly good infrared camera for my work.

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I've always wondered if one of the emergency mylar blankets would hide your infrared signature from one of those helicopters with a device...

this post is going to get me curious to see if a concealed pistol can be picked up by infrared.... I have a fairly good infrared camera for my work.

I've wondered exactly the same thing. Let us know what you discover.

They use that stuff for radar reflectors, weather balloons and such don't they? Wouldn't using one exchange one problem for another? Of course if you could get them in non-reflective finish.....

I’m thinking anything that’s going to block the IR signature of the gun is going to block the IR signature of anything else it’s covering. In a crowd, you’d stick out like a sore thumb, being a t-shirt shaped blank spot with a floating head, arms, and legs attached to nothing. In a home? Maybe not so much.

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I’m thinking anything that’s going to block the IR signature of the gun is going to block the IR signature of anything else it’s covering. In a crowd, you’d stick out like a sore thumb, being a t-shirt shaped blank spot with a floating head, arms, and legs attached to nothing. In a home? Maybe not so much.

My thought is, something in the nano tech range where the technology would show the appearances of a hotter signature the more directly is it viewed from.

For example, on the legs it would show a warmer signature towards the center of the pant leg and cooler (all relevant, I know) along the edges. Same thing for the chest/back area.

Probably nothing which coould pass detailed scrutiny but can pass that general look when in a crowd.

I'm going to try some things with my camera but in the mean time I have to relate what a guy who is member of my church and works for our city explained about the cameras they have down town ... these are not monitored by people but are hooked to a computer that is not looking at individuals but is noting the number of people in a crowd and how they are moving and in what direction. I think in most situations a computer is actually doing the monitoring and surveillance to use the politically incorrect word.

I know for a fact, from personal experience, when 'they' are looking for weapons in a backpack, purse or some bag ... X-rays are no longer used but some type of devise that scans inside the article and then a computer is reviewing the contents... this is much more effective than a human.

Fabric manufacturers such as Crye already test their fabrics under various light spectrums, including infrared.

You want your IR signature camouflaged to have the same IR reflectivity as the things around you of a similar color. You don't want to show up as highly reflective or completely absorbent--either would show up easily using IR. A mylar blanket, for example, would be highly reflective and terrible for hiding IR.

If we're talking about IR radiation from heat sources and trying to hide your IR signature from a thermal scope/cam, then that is going to be way more complex. You'd need a layer of insulation, and some sort of heat sink to store your waste heat for a period of time. At some point, your heat sink will saturate with heat, the insulation will warm, and the whole thing will start to glow under a thermal cam.

The good FLIR thermal cameras can pick up your footsteps after you have left the area. It can also pick up the strands of copper conductor through the covering. So, picking up an object under clothing should, in my opinion, be no problem.

Lineman-

You're looking for anti-IR clothing? Clouting that does not show your infrared signature...? Doesn't exist unless you're plan on walking around in a insulated suit.

What is on the market is the current generation of camouflage patterns are NIR or, Near Infrared signature management which reduced your contrast when viewed through Night Vision. This is achieved due to a combination of the fabric/material type used, the dye, the printing and the colors involved. The print register, which is where the colors overlap and how the fabric/material takes up the dye is a pivotal aspect to this process. Plenty of knock-offs and imitations on the market but, very few are have the technology to get a proper registered print.

Crye Precision, helped pioneer this as the Army provided them funding to further develop their findings. This in turn resulted in their MultiCam pattern of camouflage. The result is viewing somebody wearing MultiCam (and the many other patterns that have since been developed) through Night Vision Devices, will show that wearer not showing dramatic contrast. Black absorbs IR thus it'll stand-out under NVGs, buckles and other materials do the same, Velcro was a problem for awhile. Buckles, straps and trims are now patterned along with black boots no longer being worn in the military.

Well... with just a tee shirt it does show if you know what you are looking for...

I have had the same thought, concerning the survival blankets. Not the most practical thing if you intend to be mobile, but it's potentially better than nothing. I'd be curious what your camera sees, Blume. I have a basic Leupold monocular I could experiment with. I am glad this thread reminded me, and I may try it sooner rather than later.

that's actually my next thing to try... couple more layers of cloth as well as some mylar...

Ok, find a surplus store. Buy a mylar body bag, the kind with shiny on one side and camo on the other. Just keep it folded in its little box until needed. Then cut a head hole and 2 arm holes. Put it on and it will work for a while, but as stated, not forever when it gets saturated with heat.

If you watch any IR helio pix, you'll see the watchers ignore small critters, looking for large, human size images. Arms and heads are picked up, but too small to be a criminal.

I think some here are missing the point - it is not to become hot as the sun IR reflection no to appear like a blackhole (these items are easy to find/make) but; a nano type tech (for example) which upon first blush, would appear to reflect a person's "normal" heat signature.

This would be something in the realm where, you are a legal, card carrying member of the CCW club and, would prefer no one else knew you are carrying.

Also, with some places doing the whole IR scan of persons coming into their facility (because, you know, COVID man bad), the clothing allows you to keep your privacy.

So, I went to do it again yesterday with a couple more layers and then try a mylar covering.... but here is the problem... I had been carrying all day and when I did the first photo with the pistol exposed... you could not see it... seems that since I had been carrying for about 6 hours the pistol was the same temperature as my exterior and so did not show up on infrared and so the rest was a waste.



Pistol is at 4 0'clock same as before...