^^^^^ What makes you think she'd tell the truth? Lying comes as easy to those people as breathing.

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Originally posted by 12131:
If the President doesn't think a person has committed an offense, then a pardon has absolutely no meaning. You don't pardon someone who, in your eyes, has not committed any crime.

Machiavelli would suggest pardoning anyone who might come under investigation whether or not a crime was thought to have been committed, if they are on your side of the aisle. And especially if the pardon can protect you and your family by eliminating future investigations which could drag you into the net.

(I do, of course, believe that the people we hear named as possibly getting pardons did commit serious crimes.)

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Am I the only one here who wants Cheney to be pardoned .... so she will lose her 5th Amendment protection and will be forced to tell all in a future committee hearing? I can live with her not being charged. We all know she'd never get convicted by a DC jury anyway. But a pardon makes her look guilty and gives the House and Senate oversight committees carte blanche to haul her up there and ask all kinds of questions no one has been forced to answer yet.

I disagree for two reasons.

First, the only way she could be compelled to testify is if there was an investigation, and there would have to be some reason to have the investigation. Now if she were the only pardon, then if there was a good reason to investigate other J6 committee members for crimes, she could be compelled to testify. But I don't see FJB pardoning only Cheney. Either all of them or none of them will get pardoned. If they all get pardoned, the issues get put aside.

Secondly, investigation absent punishment does nothing to deter future bad actors. I feel very strongly about this regarding Fauci and others in the C19 topic, but the same applies to Cheney and the J6 committee. Ultimately, without some corrective action there will be nothing to slow down malevolent people in the future. Either a strong enforceable new rule needs to be implemented, or strong punishment meted out.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
^^^^^ What makes you think she'd tell the truth? Lying comes as easy to those people as breathing.

Let her lie! Her pardon wouldn't cover future acts and the committees could hold her in contempt for refusing to talk and/or refer her to DOJ for a perjury charge. Either way, she'd be in more trouble than her pardon could keep her out of and we'd likely know a little more about the Deep State's crimes wrt J6.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
First, the only way she could be compelled to testify is if there was an investigation, and there would have to be some reason to have the investigation.

Congress can investigate anything they want and they can compel testimony for anything too. I don't like it, but they really have unlimited power here.

I think Brandon's pardons will prove to be a blessing in disguise. Hunter and Jim Biden, Fauci, Cheney, you name it, will have to sing under threat of contempt. And I'm guessing the new DOJ will take referrals from Congressional committees seriously.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Congress can investigate anything they want and they can compel testimony for anything too. I don't like it, but they really have unlimited power here.

I think Brandon's pardons will prove to be a blessing in disguise. Hunter and Jim Biden, Fauci, Cheney, you name it, will have to sing under threat of contempt. And I'm guessing the new DOJ will take referrals from Congressional committees seriously.

True, they can investigate if they want. I hope they do even if pardons are given. In the past there is no way the R's would, as they have proven to be mostly useless Swamp Creatures.

I hope you're right, that any pardons would become blessings in disguise. I am certain all those people have committed very serious harms to very many people, from C19 to J6 and beyond.

My unease is from hearing lots of otherwise smart people who've been on the right side of things say that getting to the truth is the highest priority, and the way to do that is pardons or immunity so as to get them to tell the truth. For me, the highest priority is to do everything possible to prevent any similar future such crimes.

From ABC News -

“ According to the new report, the driver, who is not named, was interviewed by the previous Jan. 6 committee in November 2022 and "testified that he specifically refuted the version of events as recounted by Hutchinson."

The driver said he "did not see him reach [redacted]. [President Trump] never grabbed the steering wheel. I didn't see him, you know, lunge to try to get into the front seat at all," the report states.

Ornato was also interviewed by the previous Jan. 6 committee, in January, March and November 2022, both before and after Hutchinson testified publicly, according to the new report, which stated that the January 2022 interview was not released to the public along with other materials the earlier committee shared, with exceptions.”

The more that is discovered and disclosed, the more angry I become!

Deliberately ignoring direct testimony and hiding it from the public, especially concerning President Trump, is an atrocity! Any and all that were involved in the cover-up must be prosecuted and sued civilly as well. I am reasonably certain that a pardon does not protect anyone against civil liability.

Perhaps a bird hunting trip with her war-loving father would save a lot of time and money.

As a few have said, nothing will come of it. Just another example of:

"We caught YOU today, but we will let you slide. Remember that when you catch US tomorrow."

The thing about all these committee hearings is that there are no rules of evidence in play that you'd find in a court of law. There's no Evidence Code or Code of Civil Procedure that ensures due process.

These hearings, like an impeachment, are political events and they make up the rules as they see fit, mostly to arrive at a desired outcome.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
The thing about all these committee hearings is that there are no rules of evidence in play that you'd find in a court of law. There's no Evidence Code or Code of Civil Procedure that ensures due process.

These hearings, like an impeachment, are political events and they make up the rules as they see fit, mostly to arrive at a desired outcome.

Which is why we need criminal investigations and prosecutions!

Even if a future Congressional committee holds productive hearings, about all they can do at the end of the day is wag their finger at the miscreant and say "Bad Boy! Bad Girl!"

The only thing that stops future bully tyrants from repeating what these people have done is fear of serious punishment. And, of course, the current perps need to feel the sting for the great harm they've perpetrated.