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I think if we combine the yellow and red w/ the green coastal regions and separate that from the other larger green and blue areas, we'll have separated CA into blue and red zones. The blue zone will be the preferred land but the undesired populace. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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So, it really is conceivable that they could form 3 new States out of one, but then we only admit one of the new States back into the union ? hmmmm.....  "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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^^^^^ I don't think that is an option. Congress would either approve of the split or just leave California as one state. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Don’t tell West Virginia. I don’t seem to recall Richmond giving the A-OK in 1863. Virginia wasn’t part of the Union, you say? Well, that wasn’t Lincoln’s take, with him always asserting that the southern states were simply states in rebellion, and the U.S. Constitution was always in force over all the land (hence big-ass armies marching south). Can’t have it both ways. Either the Constitution was in effect, or the south was sovereign and was being invaded. Pick one. My point? Don’t count on the Constitution stopping anything. It’s just a piece of paper if the powers that be choose to ignore it, like has been done a-plenty. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Yeah, no way the states would let this happen. CA can go fuck itself if they think voting for this means more than jack and shit. | |||
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If California can do it, so can any of the red states. In fact, a red state could be split into 15-20 pieces. Each with two senators and at least one representative. You can see where this can end up. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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Do that, throw in Sacramento proper, and then make it a part of American Samoa, so they get the appropriate number of Senators and Representatives! I think we have a plan! | |||
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| Ammoholic |
How ‘bout four states as shown on the map and only admit the green one into the union? | |||
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| Team Apathy |
Agree x 100. I am all for splitting up this oversized state but not using this terrible plan. State of Jefferson or even the New California plan are far better options. I will vote a no on this one, not that it’ll matter. I’d hope it would be killed at the federal level PDQ. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Sure - Europe under the EU. Everyone fragmented, and only the big powers really matter. | |||
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THIS IS A BAD IDEA FOR CONSERVATIVES/GUN OWNERS (in or out of that state). You can see from these maps that the Dems will overwhelmingly dominate all three of those proposed states (I'm sure it was planned that way).  Source: 'Three Californias' campaign gets $1 million boost - Sacramento Bee Given how they want to divide CA, it would give the Democrat control of all three states. Note that there is a large urban area (SF/OAK, LA, SD) in each of the three proposed states. This would allow those urban (Democrat) votes to dominate each of those states. Los Angeles would dominate the new state of "California". San Francisco, San Jose, and Oakland would dominate the state of "Northern California". San Diego would dominate the state of "Southern California". This would give the Dems four more Senators, and perhaps more Representatives in the US House. This is a power grab for the progressives. They admit as much here, that this would add 4 more Democrats to the U.S. Senate. ‘Three Californias’ would likely mean four more Democrats in U.S. Senate - Sacramento Bee Within the state, there is opposition on bother sides. Three Californias? What you need to know. - Sacramento Bee Here's a population map by county:  This is a 2016 election map by county for California:  Doing the math, you can see from the population and election maps above that the coastal-urban areas will dominate the politics of the three proposed states. Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Apparently, there may be legal and constitutional barriers to splitting up California, this way (by referendum). Tim Draper’s Three Californias plan could mean nothing – or disaster. Make him stop. - Sacramento Bee
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in 1863 Virginia was not a US state. It left the union and joined the Confederate States of America. I think it is rather obvious neither President Lincoln, Congress or the Supreme court gave a crap about about any votes in Richmond. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
The California Supreme Court on Wednesday blocked a proposal that would split the state into three from the November ballot. The court wrote that it took the step “because significant questions have been raised regarding the proposition’s validity and because we conclude that the potential harm in permitting the measure to remain on the ballot outweighs the potential harm in delaying the proposition to a future election.” Last week, an environmental group sued to have the measure removed from the ballot. To substantially alter the state's governance under the California constitution, the group argued, a constitutional convention would need to be called -- and that requires a supermajority of both houses of the state's legislature. A ballot initiative, the group said, was constitutionally insufficient. “In seeking to remove this initiative from the ballot, we are asking the court to protect the integrity of both the initiative process and our state constitution,” an attorney representing the environmental group, Carlyle Hall, said in a statement. “Proponents should not be able to evade the state constitution simply by qualifying a measure as one thing, when it is so clearly another.” But the sponsor of the “Cal 3” initiative to split California into three states asked the state's Supreme Court last week to dismiss the lawsuit calling for the proposal to be pulled from the November ballot. Tim Draper, a venture capitalist who spent more than $1.7 million supporting the initiative, told the court in a letter that there wasn't enough time to properly consider the legal challenge to his effort. The court was under pressure to decide the issue quickly, because the California November ballot reportedly was set to go to the printer in early August. Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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