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I'm surprised Honda didn't just upgrade the CRV. I'm guessing they want part of Subaru's market.
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That V6 is the same motor they use in the Pilot and its a dog. I've driven a couple Pilots and stamping on the go fast pedal returns nothing but mediocre acceleration, lots of engine noise, and poor fuel economy. Personally, I see no market for this vehicle that the CRV and/or Pilot can't address. Honda obviously sees something I don't. Time will tell who is eventually correct. Oh, and the marketing always cracks me up. I'd be utterly shocked if anything approaching 1% of these vehicles ever find themselves in a pseudo-off road environment. They ought to show them shuttling kids around to soccer games and dance recitals (i.e. what 90%+ of them will be used for daily). ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Sounds closer to a small Pilot then a souped up CR-V if it's frame is similar. Probably the same transmission and engine from the Odyssey and I think they may have the same in the Pilot. I'm not sure if it's the weight of the Odyssey or the transmission, but it seems to lag from a stop. If I get into it though it will chirp the tires. I've owned a 2002 Pilot, 2009 CR-V and 2018 Odyssey. I'll probably give this a look when I shop for my next car. This may cannibalize their own sales too much. | |||
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It's a Pilot minus the 3rd row. Same dash, layout, engine, transmission, etc. It makes no sense to me. I love my 2017 Pilot. SIG556 Classic P220 Carry SAS Gen 2 SAO SP2022 9mm German Triple Serial P938 SAS P365 FDE Psalm 118:24 "This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it" | |||
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Haven't driven that engine in the Pilot, but reviews of 2017 Pilot says 0-60 in 6.5 (one of the quickest for a 3 row SUV) and reviews of the 2019 estimate 6.0-6.2. My van with that engine feels like it doesn't want to start rolling, but is also supposed to be decently quick. I think the power is there, it's just something with the way they have it tuned that it feels slow. Perhaps to get better fuel economy. | |||
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Sounds comparable to the outgoing generation of Acura RDX. | |||
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Personal impression is that the Pilot is a dog at acceleration. Maybe the numbers paint a different picture, but seat of the pants impressions would lead me to be very cautious competing in traffic. But more to the point, I can't see where this vehicle meets any needs the CRV and Pilot can't. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Bad move, keeping the Passport name. Previous Passports were rebadged Isuzu Rodeos. Honda mechanics would refuse to work on them. Absolute shit-boxes. And that's after Honda's QC guys got through cherry- picking the best ones off the Isuzu assembly line. Nope. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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For a company that used to pride its name on being a motor company I’m surprised this engine has made about the same power for how many years now. Back of the pack in hp and torque for years now.
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I agree. Maybe they plan on making the Pilot bigger? My solution would have been to allow a V6 option in the CR-V.
They actually just bumped up the hp on this engine from 250 to 280 with the 2016 Pilot and I believe the 2018 Odyssey. | |||
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The CRV is too small for me, and I don’t need something the size of a Pilot. They’ll sell a bunch of them. The only downside is that the Passport will further eat into Accord sales. As for off-roading: Of course it’s marketing. Just like when you watch a commercial for a car and they show it sliding sideways on a skid pad or other such nonsense. Nobody takes their Jeeps or jacked-up pickups off road either. It’s all about image. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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We'll see. The Toyota Highlander is a terrific vehicle that falls between the RAV4 and Toyota's larger offings, but its sales have been falling over a number of years. Now Toyota is enlarging the RAV4 (interior anyway), which may only drain more sales from the Highlander. I'm not sold on the idea that a vehicle the size of the Passport makes sense. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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2017 pilot owner here. Very satisfied with the pilot. New Passport appears to be a shortened Pilot without the third row. The 9 speed transmission does not have a good reputation. The 9 speed is standard on the two top pilot trim levels. As for the additional model, SUV’s are what’s selling. Look at Ford’s model lineup, Escape, Edge, Explorer. I’m sure other MFG will do the same. I would have probably considered the Passport when I bought my Pilot if it was available. | |||
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I agree about the name. I remember that the Passport was a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo, and the Rodeo wasn't a very good vehicle. _______________________________________ Flammable, Inflammable, or Nonflammable....... Hell, either it Flams or it doesn't!! (George Carlin) | |||
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Just like 99% of all other vehicles on the road. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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Honda needs to have every SUV/crossover niche with a substantial market covered. The CR-V feels insubstantial, the Odyssey and Pilot feel very big. Could be a Goldilocks vehicle for Honda. Accord sales down about 19% from previous year, as is true of other mid-size sedans. _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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Target buyers don’t even remember the Passport much less know what a piece of Isuzu it was. [Those of us that do are old.] Most buyers don’t need the third row. Plus, it’s jacked!!! They’ll buy the shit out of it. | |||
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Actually, Highlander sales have been increasing and are over 200,000 units per year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Highlander ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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