the dems never seem to disappoint

CONCORD, N.H. —
Fuel-efficient vehicles have put such a big dent in gas tax revenues over the past few years that some state lawmakers say it's time for what they call a road usage fee.

The fee, which would essentially be a vehicle registration surcharge, would be aimed at vehicles with gas mileage over 20 mpg.

"If I have a pickup truck that gets 15 mpg, I'm paying a lot more for use on the highways than if I own a hybrid, which is getting 40-50 miles to the gallon," said Rep. John Graham, R-Bedford.

The tax would top out at just over $100 annually for vehicles that get more than 50 mpg.

"It saves us from, if tomorrow, everybody purchased an electric vehicle,” said Gary Abbott, executive vice president of Associated General Contractors. “The highway fund would be done, outside of registration fees."

Some said the road usage fee would be a backward policy.

"We need to get away from miles per gallon and the internal combustion engine, which is on its way out," said Rep. Lee Oxenham, D-Plainfield.

"Whether I have a vehicle with a rating of 25 mpg or one with 40 mpg, that does not tell anyone whether that vehicle traveled 5,000 miles or 25,000 miles," said Rep. Peter Somssich, D-Portsmouth.

Lawmakers agree that the state's crumbling infrastructure is in need of repair, but there has been gridlock in Concord over how to pay for it.

"We do still have 252 municipal bridges that are on the red-list bridge list, and I believe there is a significant waiting list for bridge aid," said Barbara Reid of the New Hampshire Municipal Association.

While the new Democratic majorities are likely to be more open to tax or fee increases to fund infrastructure improvements, they may be more likely to heed the warnings of environmental groups such as the Sierra Club, which believes a road usage fee is too burdensome on people who are already doing their part to consume less.

"And this is on top of their registration fee forever," said Catherine Corkery of the New Hampshire Sierra Club.

Hybrid and electric car owners in Hooksett were unenthusiastic about the proposed fee.

"It would make more sense to first increase the gas tax to get more people driving hybrid cars, and once that becomes a problem and we have so many people driving hybrid cars, then sure, then we can talk,” said Scott May, of Lyme.

"I bought this car, for one, to save money on gas and also to be better for the environment,” said Kristen Hill, of Manchester. “(It feels like) a punishment on trying to do something right."

https://www.wmur.com/article/l...nt-vehicles/26228145

Unbelievable. But then again, completely believable. And the leftist sheeple will bitch, moan, and generally complain but guess who they will continue to vote into office?

Well, vehicles that get worse fuel economy tend to (but are not always) heavier than the econoboxes. As such, they place more load and add more rapidly to the wear and tear on the roads.

But perhaps they'd have enough money to fix things if they'd stop squandering so much of it. Or if they'd kept up with maintenance over the years rather than reducing the maintenance budgets to blow the funds on pet projects.

I’m ok with this. Washington State already does it, $100 a year, and as far as I am concerned should charge more.

We are 3rd highest state gas tax at 49.4 cents/gallon.

Last year that worked out to about $300 in gas tax on my F150 at 20mpg and about $260 on my Mustang at 21mpg. $100/year to use the roads is a bargain in my book.

I’d be okay with the idea of a per mile road tax, problem is they only look at is as a NEW, ADDITIONAL tax, and not as a replacement to the gas tax. One or the other, but not both. Vehicle weight multiplied by miles driven multiplied by factor “x”. Would be the leftists dream, “fair”. Too bad it conflicts with their other dream of tax anything, everything, anywhere, everywhere possible.



Up until the middle of last year buyer of an electric vehicle didn’t have to pay the sales tax on the first $32k of the car ($2400 to $3200 tax break depending on where it is bought)

On top of that, the state provides “free” charging locations. “Free” in government terms meaning, as always, taking money from some people to provide for others.


Whether a car uses gas or not, it still puts wear and tear on the road. Gas taxes are collected in part to maintain the roads. So every vehicle using them should pay it’s share.

So, they give you a tax break to buy these cars and then increase your taxes to own them. Brilliant.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Pritzker wants to hit IL with a mileage tax. Will any add-on gizmo shut off when I cross the river into MO? Yeah, right.

Liberals have to control and fuck up everything. If it is enjoyable, fun, dangerous, or brings people happiness you can trust and believe some progressive fascist wannabe politician is working on a way to regulate it, ban it or tax it out of existence.

1) The first guy quoted is a Republican.

2) As electric vehicles increase in popularity and use, something like this is inevitable. You can’t fund infrastructure with gas taxes when everyone is driving electric.

I get it that nobody likes new taxes, but in this instance, the Dems are right. The roads have traditionally been built and maintained by a defacto usage tax, collected through taxation on fuel. With vehicles that use little or no hydrocarbon fuels, there is little to no tax collected.

To those who have a problem with this, what is your proposal to have those people pay for the infrastructure they are using? New Hampshire's proposal is way better than the alternative, which is a per-mile assessment akin to how commercial motor vehicles pay.

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But perhaps they'd have enough money to fix things if they'd stop squandering so much of it.

I know a few contractors that work for Maryland's transportation sector. The amount of money they make compared to what they normally would charge is insane. They say getting the contracts was like hitting the lottery.

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Originally posted by XinTX:

But perhaps they'd have enough money to fix things if they'd stop squandering so much of it.

I know a few contractors that work for Maryland's transportation sector. The amount of money they make compared to what they normally would charge is insane. They say getting the contracts was like hitting the lottery.

There is a myriad of wasteful expenditures by all forms of government. Graft, awards, and high government officials making obscene amounts of money. Waste, fraud, and abuse is how it’s referred to in the federal system. But let’s leave that alone and go after the people that are already being taxed for road upkeep or paying road tolls and tax them some more.

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Pritzker wants to hit IL with a mileage tax. Will any add-on gizmo shut off when I cross the river into MO? Yeah, right.

And that’s a drop in the bucket with what he wants to with already insanely high property tax.

All this from someone gifted 3 billion dollars and then getting caught cheating on $70k in taxes. Yet the state keeps supporting Dems.

Let’s not forget that as soon as he was put in office he also gave everyone 15% raises in a state that’s bankrupt.

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Pritzker wants to hit IL with a mileage tax. Will any add-on gizmo shut off when I cross the river into MO? Yeah, right.

We may have to burn the bridges to keep Illinoisans from invading!

I’m waiting for California or NY to tax access to the sun. As more people get EVs and solar panels it is only a matter of time.

Our county in SD has a wheel tax

Section 1. Pursuant to SDCL, Chapter 32-5A-5, a wheel tax is hereby imposed upon all motor vehicles as defined by SDCL 32-3-1 registered in the County as follows: 1) at the rate of three dollars ($3.00) per wheel for vehicles weighing two thousand pounds or less, inclusive; 2) at the rate of four dollars ($4.00) per wheel for vehicles weighing 2001 to 6000 pounds, inclusive; and 3) at the rate of ($5.00) per wheel for vehicles weighing over 6000 pounds with the total wheel tax not to exceed 12 wheels or sixty ($60.00) dollars per vehicle.

First there's mandates to make a higher gas efficient vehicles, now they cry like little bitches that they don't have enough money.
Why do these people even exist?

Is the gas tax already a added on tax to pay for the government's waste? What is my registration going to? Property tax? Seems like another tax that's getting stacked on whats already being paid. Figure out how to budget with what you got government!

I have no problem with a use or road tax for electric vehicles, they are using the infrastructure paid for by taxpayers and not contributing to the fund to maintain this road since they pay no fuel taxes.

This was predicted many years ago as fuel efficiency became the norm for CAFE that revenue would drop as miles per gallon increased if new drivers and registrations didn't increase as well.

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Up until the middle of last year buyer of an electric vehicle didn’t have to pay the sales tax on the first $32k of the car ($2400 to $3200 tax break depending on where it is bought)

On top of that, the state provides “free” charging locations. “Free” in government terms meaning, as always, taking money from some people to provide for others.


Whether a car uses gas or not, it still puts wear and tear on the road. Gas taxes are collected in part to maintain the roads. So every vehicle using them should pay it’s share.

Yeah... every vehicle using the roads should pay it’s share.

What I'm sick of is all of the 'special deals' and 'incentives' governments use to attempt to influence and change peoples decisions.
We fund billionaires for sports stadiums and electric cars.
When I buy an electric car, I want it to be because I want it and it makes sense to me... not because the government pushed me into that direction.
It's the same thing with sports stadiums. If I want to go to a sporting event I should pay for it as a consumer, through my ticket purchase. I shouldn't impose a big part of the expense on taxpayers who have no interest in attending the event.

"Whether I have a vehicle with a rating of 25 mpg or one with 40 mpg, that does not tell anyone whether that vehicle traveled 5,000 miles or 25,000 miles," said Rep. Peter Somssich, D-Portsmouth
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So this chud wants to collect taxes for miles traveled, but he isn't taking into consideration that not all of those miles may have been in 1 state. How does one base taxes for miles traveled across country? Perhaps those 25,000 miles came from summer travels to Alaska, then back to the lower 48 to do some sightseeing. Fucking idiots.

"We do still have 252 municipal bridges that are on the red-list bridge list, and I believe there is a significant waiting list for bridge aid," said Barbara Reid of the New Hampshire Municipal Association.
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They got that way because you aren't using the funds for road and bridge maintenance appropriately. Quit squandering and using it for pet projects!

"It saves us from, if tomorrow, everybody purchased an electric vehicle,” said Gary Abbott, executive vice president of Associated General Contractors. “The highway fund would be done, outside of registration fees."
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So, increase the registration fees to an appropriate level and quit your bitching. When technology changes, you need to account for that and re-distribute the tax burden to those that are still utilizing the infrastructure but not paying their fair share.....See how easy that is? Oh yeah, by the way....Quit giving out tax breaks for EV's you fucking morons....You're shooting yourselves in the foot!

"It would make more sense to first increase the gas tax to get more people driving hybrid cars, and once that becomes a problem and we have so many people driving hybrid cars, then sure, then we can talk,” said Scott May, of Lyme.
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Sure, keep your little pet project from getting smacked with higher fees. You're still using the bridges, roads and other infrastructure you witless jackass! Pay accordingly or you're going to see a deficit in spending to maintain.

"Fuel-efficient vehicles have put such a big dent in gas tax revenues over the past few years that some state lawmakers say it's time for what they call a road usage fee."
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Why not tax bicyclists too? Require a tag and registration just like a motorcycle. They benefit from having nicely paved roads so why not? This last one is a bit facetious but it wouldn't be too much of a stretch. Dem's are willing to tax anything