Movie of people hunting deplorables - but it's satire so that's ok
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Originally posted by Ripley:
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Originally posted by jhe888:
They don't always make the right bet, but profit is the goal.
I guess it comes down to how profit is defined. Box office bombs allow for write-offs and "creative" bookkkeeping. Then there's grooming future investors with woke productions. Long game/short game.
I'm not going to waste my time looking up examples but Hollywood trotted out a slew of hopeless losers post-9/11, portraying our military response as the real villain. None of these movies ever stood a chance of returning a straightforward profit.
Loosen the tinfoil hat. These are public companies answerable to stockholders. Sony and Time/Warner (for example) are not in the social engineering business, except as it intersects with making a profit. The stockholders would throw a fit.
No one deliberately looses money to get a write off. There are plenty of better ways to use the tax code than deliberately losing money. They don't deliberately lose money by making political films to curry favor with "investors" or anyone else.
I am not saying that Hollywood doesn't have a political bias. It does. But the big studios and distribution outfits are for-profit entities, first and foremost.
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August 08, 2019, 03:00 PM
Warhorse
I think it is pure gold, liberals loving it up with firearms.
Then again though, Chairman Mao claimed in his "little red book" that "power grows from the barrel of a gun".
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August 08, 2019, 03:50 PM
Ripley
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Originally posted by jhe888: But the big studios and distribution outfits are for-profit entities, first and foremost.
You didn't acknowledge the fluid definition of "profit". There are such things as loss leaders and short term loss for long term gain. You can't deny there are tons of movies made where a big cash return isn't anywhere near being guaranteed. It's possible a bunch of like-minded people sit around a table and all agree to go ahead with a project that the market won't support. Whether it's life in the bubble or insidious propaganda doesn't matter, bad choices are made where "profit" takes a back seat to reason.
**edit** Let me add another thought that actually could support what you've said -- the international market. That can equal or surpass the domestic market. If people here are offended by Hollywood's insulting polemics, who cares when the rest of the world eats it up. This particular film wouldn't seem to have the appeal internationally that one of those post-9/11 anti-American films but who knows, killing Americans might sell anywhere.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Ripley,
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August 08, 2019, 06:02 PM
PeteF
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Originally posted by jhe888:
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Originally posted by Ripley:
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Originally posted by jhe888:
They don't always make the right bet, but profit is the goal.
I guess it comes down to how profit is defined. Box office bombs allow for write-offs and "creative" bookkkeeping. Then there's grooming future investors with woke productions. Long game/short game.
I'm not going to waste my time looking up examples but Hollywood trotted out a slew of hopeless losers post-9/11, portraying our military response as the real villain. None of these movies ever stood a chance of returning a straightforward profit.
Loosen the tinfoil hat. These are public companies answerable to stockholders. Sony and Time/Warner (for example) are not in the social engineering business, except as it intersects with making a profit. The stockholders would throw a fit.
No one deliberately looses money to get a write off. There are plenty of better ways to use the tax code than deliberately losing money. They don't deliberately lose money by making political films to curry favor with "investors" or anyone else.
I am not saying that Hollywood doesn't have a political bias. It does. But the big studios and distribution outfits are for-profit entities, first and foremost.
Oh? Hows proctor and gamble doing after their epic SJW fail. 8 billion in losses to curry favor. Its amazing how many companies managements forgot that a businesss's purpose is to make money.
Female Thor? Black female Bond? The list goes on and on and on. Any wonder why movie business is tanking except for a few "franchises"
August 08, 2019, 06:12 PM
Voshterkoff
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Originally posted by jhe888: Loosen the tinfoil hat. These are public companies answerable to stockholders. Sony and Time/Warner (for example) are not in the social engineering business, except as it intersects with making a profit. The stockholders would throw a fit.
I know you play the whole contradictory role on the forum, but you are naive. Media is used to shape social norms, always has, always will. Otherwise lots of journalists would be out of a job right now. Gays and trannys wouldn’t be constantly in media/advertising. Nor would every group of sitcom friends be a perfect rainbow. And of course there is the Gillette example.
August 08, 2019, 06:21 PM
sigalert
In these types of films, don't (at least some) of the "victims" survive to win?
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August 08, 2019, 06:36 PM
kkina
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Originally posted by sigalert: In these types of films, don't (at least some) of the "victims" survive to win?
That's what I was wondering. In these films, the victims are the protagonists. The standard formula is for one or two to survive and turn the tables on their attackers. So is this a pro-con film?
In the Seattle area we have the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club (PSJBGC). According to our local paper, ‘their stated aim is to fight white supremacy and build community defense in America’s Pacific north-west, and their presence has become a fixture of protests in the Seattle and Tacoma areas, where the group is often invited to provide security against rightwing aggression.
Unlike some of the other masked antifascist groups at the march that day, the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club consider themselves to be an “aboveground” organization, and choose not to cover their faces.
“Part of the reason we don’t cover our faces is that we don’t want to present as though we are a militia,” Fozz, a longtime member, explained. “We are not. We want to build relationships with people in our community, we want to appear approachable.”
While the group has not used deadly force, a former member of the group, Willem Van Spronsen, recently made headlines when he was killed by police after trying to set fire to Ice vehicles in a parking lot outside the Northwest Detention Center In Tacoma, Washington, a private immigration detainment facility.’
August 08, 2019, 08:10 PM
Strambo
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Originally posted by kkina:
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Originally posted by sigalert: In these types of films, don't (at least some) of the "victims" survive to win?
That's what I was wondering. In these films, the victims are the protagonists. The standard formula is for one or two to survive and turn the tables on their attackers. So is this a pro-con film?
Yes, they are setting up the protagonists to be the rednecks hunted by the vile elites.
When Hollywood really wants to vilify conservatives they make it a vast right-wing conspiracy with some Repub Senator conspiring with right-wing extremists to overthrow the government or whatever.
So, I don't know if this movie is slanted R or L...I just know it's trash but I wanna see more of the main character...
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Originally posted by Strambo: ...I just know it's trash but I wanna see more of the main character...
She's in GLOW on Netflix (which was a fun watch).
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August 09, 2019, 08:16 AM
RichardC
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Originally posted by 2PAK: In the Seattle area we have the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club (PSJBGC). According to our local paper, ‘their stated aim is to fight white supremacy and build community defense in America’s Pacific north-west, and their presence has become a fixture of protests in the Seattle and Tacoma areas, where the group is often invited to provide security against rightwing aggression.
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While the group has not used deadly force, a former member of the group, Willem Van Spronsen, recently made headlines when he was killed by police after trying to set fire to Ice vehicles in a parking lot outside the Northwest Detention Center In Tacoma, Washington, a private immigration detainment facility.’
Shit gets real.
August 09, 2019, 03:26 PM
furlough
“Elites” hunting “Deplorables?”
How much clearer can we be be?
And for those arguing that Hollywood is all about money, yes in the past. But now....
Look at how the SJW crew has ruined Star Wars and apparently the Marvel stuff.
They have jumped the shark and are now only interested in promoting the SJW agenda.
The fact that this movie has made it to the point where they are only pulling ads is telling.
This movie is done and ready for release. The Lefties in Hollywood think it is good fun. The fact that “deplorables” are killed with guns is the only reason that they are nervous.
Guns in the “Elites” hands is good.
Guns in anyone else’s hands is evil and tyranny!!!
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August 09, 2019, 03:58 PM
Leemur
Some animals are more equal than others.
August 09, 2019, 04:04 PM
Rightwire
It was on the local news here last night and they just couldn't seem to figure out whether the movie was about Democrats slaughtering Republicans for sport, or if it really was about the current political struggle facing Republicans in what could be a symbolic play on that struggle.
Personally I thought the 'Hunter' shooting an arrow throw the throat of another citizen simply due to a difference in ideology as pretty clear.
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August 09, 2019, 04:14 PM
benny6
I watched the trailer and it seemed that the elites are cast quite accurately as pompous and arrogant. I get the sense that it doesn't end well for them and that they underestimate the dumb deplorables.
It almost seemed like a mashup of "The Most Dangerous Game", "The Hunger Games" and that predator movie where a bunch of elite soldiers and one serial killer wake up on a remote planet to find they're being hunted by predators.
Originally posted by jhe888: But the big studios and distribution outfits are for-profit entities, first and foremost.
You didn't acknowledge the fluid definition of "profit". There are such things as loss leaders and short term loss for long term gain. You can't deny there are tons of movies made where a big cash return isn't anywhere near being guaranteed. It's possible a bunch of like-minded people sit around a table and all agree to go ahead with a project that the market won't support.
There's actually a filmmaker who specialized in that - Uwe Boll.
He purposely made crappy films to take advantage of incentives offered by various locations to film there, and more importantly so that he and his wealthy investors can use these films as a writeoff when they don't turn a profit, thanks to tax breaks offered by the German government to the film industry.
They were never designed to succeed. Their whole purpose is to fail to turn a profit, as part of a tax loophole scheme.
Liberal Hollywood is Racist at the highest level, and with great Anger and Hate! They like to call themselves “Elite,” but they are not Elite. In fact, it is often the people that they so strongly oppose that are actually the Elite. The movie coming out is made in order....
....to inflame and cause chaos. They create their own violence, and then try to blame others. They are the true Racists, and are very bad for our Country!
August 09, 2019, 04:19 PM
JWF
I just finished a Jack Reacher book with the same theme. Detained couple held so that select, wealthy people could come hunt them.
I know, I was bored and it was there.
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August 09, 2019, 05:35 PM
kramden
But what about my "COEXIST" bumper sticker???
August 09, 2019, 06:09 PM
Ripley
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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
..Their whole purpose is to fail to turn a profit, as part of a tax loophole scheme.
