I am glad to see/read that Spotsylvania became a Sanctuary County.

I think the Sheriff is a good guy, but when I worked there he was a Lt in the Detectives Division and I learned a whole lot from him.

Did Henrico vote to become a santuary county?

I lived there for 16 years and I hope to return there within the year.

I have always found it hard to read Henrico. Now I would think Chesterfield would have been the one to vote for Sanctuary before Henrico, but looks like I am wrong.

Henrico is on the VCDL list as approving 2A Sanc Resolution

https://vcdl.org/

Mecklenburg Co. Va. voted last night and approved the sanctuary. It was passed by a vote of 8-1.

Hey governor Blackface, I do not accept your terms, fuck off.

I'd love for the governor to explain how registered guns are safe, but ones that aren't registered are extra dangerous? Hell explain how any component of the preposed laws will save a single life? How about you work on laws that affect criminals and leave the law abiding folks alone? Crazy idea I know, but I think it's just crazy enough to work.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Blackface Northam is trying to muddy the waters. Don't fall for any of this nonsense Virginia.


Virginia gun law would include grandfather clause for current owners of assault weapons

https://www.washingtonexaminer...s-of-assault-weapons



If a proposed assault weapons ban in Virginia is signed into law, citizens who already own the banned weapons would not be required to give up their guns, according to a new report.

"The governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period,” Gov. Ralph Northam's office told the Virginia Mercury on Monday. "Additional details on this and all other bills will be announced prior to the start of the upcoming session.”

The sweeping legislation, being written by the Democratically-controlled House of Delegates, would ban assault weapons, bump stocks, and high-capacity magazines.

More than 80 counties throughout the commonwealth have passed local resolutions declaring themselves "Second Amendment sanctuaries," vowing to not comply with a rumored mandatory buy-back program.

The term "sanctuary city" is most commonly associated with immigration. In these places, local leaders have vowed not to cooperate with federal immigration police.

common democrat backpeddling,
propose the wish list,

make concessions (grandfather clause) to show you are compromising, etc etc

and still get most of the camel under the tent,

Donate $10 to the VCDL with the purchase of a VIRGINIA-15 PSA stripped lower!

And to governor black face.

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Originally posted by ceptor781:
VIRGINIA-15 PSA stripped lower!

Way cool.

I LOVE that lower! Man I don’t need any more PSA lowers but dang. It’s tempting.

A grandfather clause is not sufficient to offset the requirement to eventually register the firearm. Registration should be fought at every turn.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
A grandfather clause is not sufficient to offset the requirement to eventually register the firearm. Registration should be fought at every turn.

flashguy

The solution to registration is simple.

Don't ever do it.

Registering your firearms with the government is worse than simply ignoring their unconstitutional laws. Never, ever do this.

This "gesture" does indicate that these leftist assholes do understand the predicament they've gotten themselves into.

There is already a partial registration now. Every time a gun is purchased and a background check run, a serial number is associated with a name and address and sometimes a SS#. Initially, when background checks were instituted, those records were to remain for a period of a few months (may have been a couple of years. I forget which) and then they were to be destroyed. That is how they got around laws against registration. But the ATF doesn't destroy the records. They know who has what and where until a private sale is made. That is why the Left wants universal background checks. Then they will have full de facto registration. Trust me, you don't want that.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
There is already a partial registration now. Every time a gun is purchased and a background check run, a serial number is associated with a name and address and sometimes a SS#. Initially, when background checks were instituted, those records were to remain for a period of a few months (may have been a couple of years. I forget which) and then they were to be destroyed. That is how they got around laws against registration. But the ATF doesn't destroy the records. They know who has what and where until a private sale is made. That is why the Left wants universal background checks. Then they will have full de facto registration. Trust me, you don't want that.

that paperwork stays with the dealer, not turned in until the dealer surrenders it's license, (4473)

the paperwork (for VA the SP65) that the background check is run from does not say what you bought, other that Rifle, Pistol, Revolver, Shotgun or Other,

no serial number,
no make or model,
not even caliber


here (VA) the State Police run the check thru the NICS system

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
Registering your firearms with the government is worse than simply ignoring their unconstitutional laws. Never, ever do this.

This "gesture" does indicate that these leftist assholes do understand the predicament they've gotten themselves into.

You are 100% correct PARA. We should all learn from history:



The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil

https://www.nationalreview.com...-stephen-p-halbrook/



The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.


In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.


As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Another good article here:

http://stephenhalbrook.com/reg...le/registration.html

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Originally posted by lyman:

quote:

Originally posted by darthfuster:
There is already a partial registration now. Every time a gun is purchased and a background check run, a serial number is associated with a name and address and sometimes a SS#. Initially, when background checks were instituted, those records were to remain for a period of a few months (may have been a couple of years. I forget which) and then they were to be destroyed. That is how they got around laws against registration. But the ATF doesn't destroy the records. They know who has what and where until a private sale is made. That is why the Left wants universal background checks. Then they will have full de facto registration. Trust me, you don't want that.

that paperwork stays with the dealer, not turned in until the dealer surrenders it's license, (4473)

the paperwork (for VA the SP65) that the background check is run from does not say what you bought, other that Rifle, Pistol, Revolver, Shotgun or Other,

no serial number,
no make or model,
not even caliber


here (VA) the State Police run the check thru the NICS system

Right. But if the ATF wants the records or to look through them, they will do it and the records are still available. De facto registration.

I just bought a pistol about 3-4 days ago.

Took all of 4-5 minutes. But I have a CHL, and that may have made a difference.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
I just bought a pistol about 3-4 days ago.

Took all of 4-5 minutes. But I have a CHL, and that may have made a difference.

doubtful,


I have folks tell me they have super uber clearances, LEO, ex LEO, CHL/CCW etc etc,

none of it really matters, the background check is looking at your name, DOB and a few other identifiers and comparing it to a database,

quote:

Originally posted by darthfuster:
But if the ATF wants the records or to look through them, they will do it and the records are still available. De facto registration.

No, it's not, because the law allows individuals to sell privately the firearms they purchase via an FFL. Actual registration would regulate transfers of registered firearms or even disallow such transfers. Just because there's a 4473 with my name on it in the file cabinet of some gun store, that doesn't mean that I even still possess that firearm. The government cannot compel me to surrender firerms which I claim to no longer own, but registered firearms would be something altogether different. For the government to prove otherwise, they would have to obtain a search warrant through the courts, and that would mean time consuming, door-to-door searches, and that is just not going to happen. The infrastructure and manpower simply does not exist and the results would be catastrophic if they even tried it. People would die, on both sides.

quote:

Originally posted by fpuhan:
Prince William County lies just to the south of me, where the Loudoun County BoS side-stepped the question. The reports are an amazing turnout last night in PWC, although the jackbooted thugs about to assume office in January have already said they are going to put these non-binding resolutions aside.

Incoming Chair Ann Wheeler sounds exactly like the SS she must admire. A hardcore Obama acolyte, she posted the infamous "Elections have consequences" comment, as well as the following statement, which includes in boldface (hers, not mine), "I want to be clear - any efforts by the outgoing Board to hamper the enforcement of new gun safety legislation passed in Virginia will be immediately repealed when the new Board takes office in January."


Sounds like a declaration of war to me.

Her own campaign website doesn't mention gun control as an issue.

https://www.wheelerforpwc.com/issues

In fact, almost NO democrats ran on gun control They ran on health insurance issues, and got financing from Bloomberg. As usual, the democrats are lying about what the people want. No one voted for gun control.

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:

quote:

Originally posted by darthfuster:
But if the ATF wants the records or to look through them, they will do it and the records are still available. De facto registration.

No, it's not, because the law allows individuals to sell privately the firearms they purchase via an FFL. Actual registration would regulate transfers of registered firearms or even disallow such transfers. Just because there's a 4473 with my name on it in the file cabinet of some gun store, that doesn't mean that I even still possess that firearm. The governmennt cannot compel me to surrender firerms which I claim to no longer own, but registered firearms would be something altogether different.

I understand. I am still unhappy that the records are kept and available. If the Left ever gets its universal background checks, the infrastructure will long be established and accepted. They are one radical congress and president away from it.