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Originally posted by Veeper:

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“I’m not vaccinated, I will not get vaccinated,” he continued. “I haven’t been vaccinated since I was a little kid. I don’t vaccinate my dogs, I don’t vaccinate my horses. I’ve never had a flu shot. I never will. I believe they compromise your immunities.”

It's just too bad that his choice to voice resistance to ALL vaccines will only hurt his own message.

Oh, I dunno.

Once-upon-a-time it was one or two, maybe a handful, of vaccines. Now it's up to Vaccines, Vaccines Everywhere. It's gotten out of hand, IMO.

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Good for him for sticking to his own principles though.

Precisely. He believes this incessant vaccine'ing degrades ones immune system. Apparently he feels if they're bad for him, they're bad for his animals.

And, it turns out, even the ubiquitous animal rabies vaccines aren't without their dangers to the animals, according to some: 65 Ways Rabies Vaccination Can Harm Your Dog

I know the various vets we've had over the years keep trying to push vaccinations for our cats, even though they are all 100% indoor cats. I used to argue in favor of them. My wife wasn't havin' it. Now, after what I've seen in the last two years, I'll no longer argue for them.

I think the health Nazis and pharmaceutical industry may have gone a bridge too far with the experimental Wu Flu "vaccines." I think more people than ever are asking where does one draw the line? The Wu Flu "vaccines?" The annual influenza vaccines? The pneumococcal pneumonia vaccines? The shingles vaccine?

Where does it end?

If that makes my wife and I "anti-vaxxers" then I guess we're "anti-vaxxers," but I no longer trust the various health agencies of "my" government and I certainly no longer trust big pharma.

I bet his dog getting parvo once would be enough.

I've seen it and it ain't pretty.

Parvo is a killer. No doubt.

But I also believe that we do over-vaccinate our pets.


Tough choices.

Vaccines are given far more frequently in the USA to animals than in many other developed western countries. Ditto human vaccines. In the UK they do consider titer levels and actual science to determine that some vaccines do not need be repeated.

I am very concerned about how many vaccinations our babies and toddlers receive, and how young when they get them. Some docs are supportive of slower and more spread out vaccination schedules, which to me makes a lot of sense. That way the immune systems aren't hit so hard or at such a young age.

We have so many immune related illnesses in our youngsters these days which were very rare in past generations. Covid has made me completely distrust official data on everything pharma.

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I bet his dog getting parvo once would be enough.

I've seen it and it ain't pretty.

The primary cause of parvovirus is dogs coming into contact with another infected animal. Shelter dogs and puppies with undeveloped immune systems are especially vulnerable to the virus. Dogs on farms or ranches out in the sticks don't have much interaction with other animals off the farm or ranch. Their chances of acquiring parvo are substantially lower than our urbanized pets. My dogs are vaccinated against parvo and other things for that exact reason. I doubt Forrie's ranch dogs run a very high risk of parvo, or Bordetella, or many other things I have to consider with my hounds.

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Hard work and determination to not to suffer fools easily comes from experience; not genetics.

That bares repeating. Well said.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I bet his dog getting parvo once would be enough.

I've seen it and it ain't pretty.

<<snipped>> Their chances of acquiring parvo are substantially lower than our urbanized pets. My dogs are vaccinated against parvo and other things for that exact reason. I doubt Forrie's ranch dogs run a very high risk of parvo, or Bordetella, or many other things I have to consider with my hounds.

Mars, you're absolutely correct. It's awful and horrible, and as bigdeal points out, many of us make the choice to vaccinate pets for good reasons. I also point out, and agree, that in a remote setting where contact with diseases are nearly impossible, vaccinations don't make sense. We over-vaccinate our children, ourselves, and our animals. Sometimes that makes sense, but not all the time.

Liberals suffer from the disease of misplaced assumptions. Not us. They assume everyone's situation absolutely mirrors their own, and are militatant about demanding conformance to whatever delusion they're currently rampaging about. We don't.

Way to go Cowboy! Don't take any crap offa these Hollywood, Fascist, Communist, Elitists, Liberal Pussies.

I applaud people standing up for their right to not be vaccinated with a product that isn't proven to protect against disease for more than a few months, and for which the risk of death is under 3 percent in the general population.

For Parvovirus, dogs are not the only host, and rural dogs are exposed to a variety of animals (coyotes, wolves, foxes, raccoons, skunks) which carry the disease. Additionally, unlike Covid, Parvo is extremely resistant in the environment and can survive for as long as 2 years, making a young and unprotected dog's risk of exposure unacceptable versus the low cost of the vaccine.

I'm with y'all on freedom to vaccinate whoever you want whenever you want, and that extends to your pets too, I guess. Just pick which ones you want to keep and vaccinate those.