Please clarify. Are you saying murders equal deaths by all other causes, or what?
February 23, 2020, 07:33 AM
Patrick-SP2022
From the text of the linked post.
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Democrats' calls for more gun control grow louder and louder, specifically for "assault weapons" - more accurately described as military style rifles. They cite a mass shooting "epidemic" threatening the lives of every American to bolster their position.
Mass shootings – defined by the FBI as 4 or more fatalities – are tragic, and heart-wrenching and often times become the impetus of calls for government to "do something" to help prevent them. This often leads to talks about stronger gun control legislation or outright bans on rifles. The media, most of whom want to outlaw more guns, tend to tailor their reporting to bolster narratives rather than report these tragedies fairly.
Out of nearly 3 million deaths in the United States in 2017, there were 17,284 murders, comprising 0.6% of total deaths.
And out of those 17,284 murders, only 0.5% of them were a result of mass shootings.
In 2017, the Las Vegas shooting became the deadliest mass shooting in the United States since 1949, yet mass shootings contributed to .5% of all murders. Heart disease remains the most prolific killer in the U.S.
Originally posted by Fredward: Please clarify. Are you saying murders equal deaths by all other causes, or what?
THe way I interpret it is that this appears to be saying that 0.6% of all deaths are murders. Within murders, 0.5% are from mass shootings. You could do the math and say that 0.6%*0.5%, of all deaths are from mass shootings. But, not my chart.
--K
February 23, 2020, 07:35 AM
lyman
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Originally posted by Fredward: Please clarify. Are you saying murders equal deaths by all other causes, or what?
Deaths by Murder - 3,000,000 x 0.006 = 18,000 (49.315 murders per day, just as a factoid for later reference)
Deaths by Mass Murder - 18,000 x 0.005 = 90
Percentage of death by Mass Murder to total deaths - 90 / 3,000,000 = 0.003%
Hang on while I call Sheldon and Leonard to check my math. If we use the actual number of 17,284 deaths by murder, the death total and percentage by mass murder would be 86.42 and 0.002999%, respectively.
According to just one source I found in a quick search, asirt.org states there are 3,287 deaths per day in the U.S. due to automobile accidents. I'd say the automobile is a MUCH more dangerous weapon than the "military style rifle". Which, in using that term, just causes me to do this...
** I rounded up total deaths to 3,000,000. Backing into the math, the actual number is 2,880,667 (17,284 / 0.006)
"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
February 23, 2020, 09:30 AM
BansheeOne
Mass casualty events - spree shootings, terrorist attacks, airline crashes - generate disproportionate attention because they are by definition extraordinary. That's human nature. Also, fates are neatly concentrated and can be easily covered and politicized, even if they are just a blip against regular numbers of unnatural deaths.
117 people were killed in mass shootings in the record year of 2017 in the US, 85 of which in three incidents in Las Vegas and Texas. 151 were killed in terrorist attacks in the record year of 2015 in Europe, 146 of which in the three Paris incidents. 791 were killed in airline crashes in 2018/19, 346 of which in the two Boeing 737 Max incidents. You are still more likely to win the lottery than dying in any such event. But if a few extraordinary events can be linked by a common theme, there will be calls to "do something" and "stop it". Of course lessons should be learned from such events to improve security, but unless we make an effort to be factual and see the bigger picture, as humans we are easily inflamed into excess.
February 23, 2020, 09:36 AM
SigFan
Very well stated, BansheeOne.
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February 23, 2020, 09:55 AM
BansheeOne
Well, I'm currently watching the local flares after a full-blown psychiatric case still legally owning guns killed nine plus his mother and himself in a xenophobic shooting spree in Hanau, Hesse this week, so I'm kind of inspired.
February 23, 2020, 10:24 AM
Fredward
Thanks for the data analysis. I get it now that someone put it in third grade terms.
February 23, 2020, 10:45 AM
Gene Hillman
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Originally posted by erj_pilot: So given 3,000,000** deaths in 2017...
Deaths by Murder - 3,000,000 x 0.006 = 18,000 (49.315 murders per day, just as a factoid for later reference)
Deaths by Mass Murder - 18,000 x 0.005 = 90
Percentage of death by Mass Murder to total deaths - 90 / 3,000,000 = 0.003%
Hang on while I call Sheldon and Leonard to check my math. If we use the actual number of 17,284 deaths by murder, the death total and percentage by mass murder would be 86.42 and 0.002999%, respectively.
According to just one source I found in a quick search, asirt.org states there are 3,287 deaths per day in the U.S. due to automobile accidents. I'd say the automobile is a MUCH more dangerous weapon than the "military style rifle". Which, in using that term, just causes me to do this...
** I rounded up total deaths to 3,000,000. Backing into the math, the actual number is 2,880,667 (17,284 / 0.006)
There can't possibly be 3,287 deaths per day by automobiles. Something is very wrong with that statistic. The daily number of automobile deaths in the US is right around 100 depending on what recent year you use.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Gene Hillman, February 23, 2020 04:05 PM
February 23, 2020, 11:12 AM
gearhounds
I wish the illustration had used circles exclusively at scale for effect. The tiny dot representing "mass shootings" would be a very effective way to show just how inconsequential they are in the scheme of things.
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February 23, 2020, 11:28 AM
gpbst3
More people die of asphyxia during sex than mass shooting each year.
February 23, 2020, 12:16 PM
wrightd
and possibly one of the better ways to check out
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February 23, 2020, 12:24 PM
parabellum
Is this Common Core or what, 'cause I don't quite understand that graph.
February 23, 2020, 01:29 PM
radioman
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Originally posted by parabellum: Is this Common Core or what, 'cause I don't quite understand that graph.
Starting from the left side... 99.4% of those who died in 2017 died of causes other than Murder. But of those who died, 0.6% of them were murdered.
moving to the right, of those 0.6% who were murdered, 99.5% of them died (were murdered) with the murder taking place *not* in a mass shooting situation. Leaving 0.5% of those who were murdered dying during a mass shooting.
Taking to a bit further, it seems that if you died in 2017, among a million deaths, 30 of those were by mass shooting.
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February 23, 2020, 02:47 PM
erj_pilot
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Originally posted by Gene Hillman:
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Originally posted by erj_pilot: According to just one source I found in a quick search, asirt.org states there are 3,287 deaths per day in the U.S. due to automobile accidents. I'd say the automobile is a MUCH more dangerous weapon than the "military style rifle". Which, in using that term, just causes me to do this...
There can'[t] possibly be 3,287 deaths per day by automobiles. Something is very wrong with that statistic. The daily number of automobile deaths in the US is right around 100 depending on what recent year you use.
You are correct Gene. That statistic was a GLOBAL number...my apologies. So STILL...GLOBALLY...automobiles are more of a death threat than scary black rifles...
"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
February 23, 2020, 02:50 PM
bigwagon
The graphic was a little confusing at first until I realized they were two pie charts.
If the media could build a 24-hour news cycle out of the 99.4 percent, coverage of gun control would be whole different story.
February 23, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jimbo54
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Originally posted by radioman:
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Originally posted by parabellum: Is this Common Core or what, 'cause I don't quite understand that graph.
Starting from the left side... 99.4% of those who died in 2017 died of causes other than Murder. But of those who died, 0.6% of them were murdered.
moving to the right, of those 0.6% who were murdered, 99.5% of them died (were murdered) with the murder taking place *not* in a mass shooting situation. Leaving 0.5% of those who were murdered dying during a mass shooting.
Taking to a bit further, it seems that if you died in 2017, among a million deaths, 30 of those were by mass shooting.
This is the way I read it as well. I'm more likely to die from falling off my back porch than by gunfire and that's before cocktail hour.
Jim
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February 23, 2020, 05:01 PM
radioman
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Originally posted by erj_pilot: ....... So STILL...GLOBALLY...automobiles are more of a death threat than scary black rifles...
As well as in the USA. Motor Vehicles cause more deaths per year in the USA than all rifle deaths per year in the USA.
