My very first gun purchase was for just such an occasion as this. I was a paper boy, and several of my customers thought it was perfectly okay to let their dogs chase and bite the paper boy. I was fired for shooting the dogs that attempted to bite me - but I was okay with that.

Goodgoddamm a tire iron would have ended that quickly.

Do cars not have a tire iron anymore?

That sombitch would have been deader than fried chicken with a single crack to the skull.

Why the eff did that bystander just smack the dog a coupe times?

My hardest kick possible to that dog's belly. In that weather I'd likely have heavier boots on too.

An illustration of the futility of entrusting your safety to a 911 system.

Unbelieveable that nobody could come up with an effective weapon of some kind for so long. It’s good to live in a rural area where so many good people are armed and competent to handle a situation like that.

Hell the ass end of the dog was far enough away from the guy's legs, run the damn thing over.

Dogs are evil killing machines, I would not have thought two seconds about it. Dog would have been dead.

The owner of that dog should be made to pay five times whatever the carriers medical bills and lost wages are.

Fuck dogs. And double fuck irresponsible dog owners.

THAT's why 10 round mag limits are stupid!
Ida shot that dog till his spirit was dead.

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:
Would using a gun to stop the attack be legal in Detroit?

TTBOMK: Yes. However, I doubt I would've been considering "legalities" atm. I'd have simply ended the threat--as humanely as possible, but ended it nonetheless.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by David Lee:
No question about it, dead dog. I would have choked that dog till its neck broke before I'd take a continuous chewing on.

If that's a Pitbull or American Bulldog, no you wouldn't have. Those breads are far too powerful and muscle laden to be choked into submission. Very little short of a fatal blow will cause them to detach.

Again, I have a neighbor with a 100 pound American Bulldog that loves everyone and everything, but that dog was raised by a focused, responsible owner. I assure you, the dog in the video has had 'zero' positive training by anyone.

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:
That was an insane dog who could done some very serious damage to the carrier.

Jim

Jim, that dog was not insane. He likely did exactly as he's been taught or allowed to behave by a completely irresponsible owner. The dog is a problem only because of the owner. I wish the dog owner could be arrested and jailed for the behavior of their animal. Maybe then they themselves would behave differently.

I could put 2 fingers down in his eye sockets. That would get his attention. I could bite him on the muzzle too by golly. Grrrrrrrr.. I could grab hold of his scrod and well...that might work too but I sure as hell wouldn't lay down and let him continue to chew on me.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Dogs are evil killing machines, I would not have thought two seconds about it. Dog would have been dead.

The owner of that dog should be made to pay five times whatever the carriers medical bills and lost wages are.

Fuck dogs. And double fuck irresponsible dog owners.

Nope. There are a whole lot of good dogs out there and I won’t tar them all based on this one. I’d have no problem with saying to hell with all dogs like this one, but that is not all dogs.

Initially, I thought the first bystander was the owner and the question was whether to use the gun on him. No, wouldn’t be legal, even if the sphincter-wipe thoroughly deserved it. If that was the owner, he had no control whatsoever of the dog and no business having a dog.

I don’t know that my first approach would have been to shoot the dog in town while he had a hold on the postman. My first thought would be to jump up and put one foot and as close to all of my body weight as I could manage in the middle of his spine 4-6” in front of his hips. This would likely cause him to forget the postman and hopefully break his back. If so, that should reduce his mobility enough for everyone to get clear and animal reg or the PD can put him down when they show up. If it looks like one can get away with it, giving him an ear to ear smile would be more humane, but I am less interested in being humane to that dog than I am in avoiding getting bit.

I certainly wouldn’t fault anyone for shooting him as long as they didn’t hit or endanger anyone else.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I certainly wouldn’t fault anyone for shooting him as long as they didn’t hit or endanger anyone else.

That, right there, would be the problem. A lot going on, movement-wise. I would sure hate to add to the victim's injuries :/

I don't think there is much question that if you were armed shooting that dog was 100% justified. And I say that as someone who loves dogs way more than humans.

In earlier times cyclists carried the little Velo dog wheel guns for just such a reason. I understand some mail carriers also had them. Kinda small round for a large dog.

Some of the blows were pathetic, but the brother with The Club car device was waling away with it, and they're a pretty sturdy tool to pound with. Having had a large dog chew on me before, the coulda woulda shoulda folks are full of it. Perception changes when it's you.

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Originally posted by David Lee:
I could put 2 fingers down in his eye sockets. That would get his attention. I could bite him on the muzzle too by golly. Grrrrrrrr.. I could grab hold of his scrod and well...that might work too but I sure as hell wouldn't lay down and let him continue to chew on me.

Again, I don't think you grasp how these large breads work. Though it sounds counter-intuitive, that dog biting and holding onto the foot of that mail carrier was the best of all bad situations. If for whatever reason that dog were to release his initial bite, his next move would be to re-engage, and many times that involves a bite to the face neck or arms. Truly a no bueno situation.

Though it pains me as a dog lover to say it, the best solution in this sort of situation is to kill the dog. The dog has proven himself to be a deadly threat, and should be eliminated.

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Originally posted by Fredward:
Some of the blows were pathetic, but the brother with The Club car device was waling away with it, and they're a pretty sturdy tool to pound with. Having had a large dog chew on me before, the coulda woulda shoulda folks are full of it. Perception changes when it's you.

When I got eaten in 2015, it was a 90 lb brindle pit. I'm not Mr. T, but I'm no Peewee Herman either, that dog took me to the ground like I was a fucking rag doll before he ripped my face off. I had absolutely no control of the situation.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Dogs are evil killing machines...

What the...? Dogs are no such thing. The vast majority of them aren't dangerous in any way whatsoever (other than maybe being a trip hazard). A select group of assholes own a subset of these powerful breeds and do everything in their power to make them a problem for everyone else. 'They' are directly responsible for the sort of behavior seen in this video.

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:

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Originally posted by Palm:
No reason it wouldn't be legal to shoot in that situation, but I'm assuming postal employees aren't allowed to carry on duty.

I put in for an MP-5, I haven't heard back yet.

good choice.

DOG LAW OF 1919 (EXCERPT)
Act 339 of 1919


287.279 Killing of dog pursuing, worrying, or wounding livestock or poultry, or attacking person; damages for trespass; effect of license tag.
Sec. 19.

Any person including a law enforcement officer may kill any dog which he sees in the act of pursuing, worrying, or wounding any livestock or poultry or attacking persons, and there shall be no liability on such person in damages or otherwise, for such killing. Any dog that enters any field or enclosure which is owned by or leased by a person producing livestock or poultry, outside of a city, unaccompanied by his owner or his owner's agent, shall constitute a trespass, and the owner shall be liable in damages. Except as provided in this section, it shall be unlawful for any person, other than a law enforcement officer, to kill or injure or attempt to kill or injure any dog which bears a license tag for the current year.


History: 1919, Act 339, Eff. Aug. 14, 1919 ;-- CL 1929, 5263 ;-- CL 1948, 287.279 ;-- Am. 1959, Act 42, Eff. Mar. 19, 1960 ;-- Am. 1973, Act 32, Imd. Eff. June 14, 1973


© 2017 Legislative Council, State of Michigan

Problem with calling DPD is that a response could be several hours dependent how the dispatcher prioritizes the call, manpower available on the street. Sorry to say you are pretty much on your own there.

A concern is of street justice as a result of "you shot my dog" over legal ramifications. Stupid shit that happens in that city escalates into violence too easy.

And as others have said when seconds count in an emergency the police will be there in hours. Not a slam on police but the reality in Detroit. While Downtown and Midtown are covered pretty well the neighborhoods are not so well.

As someone who has shot a dog while walking my dog. It was a easy choice. But since it’s a pit bull which IS a dangerous breed there is no help for this K9.