Chowser, how did you do that?

Also, I’m very interested in this thread as I’m looking at the SE to replace my dying iPhone 6s. I really miss the size of the 4 and 5.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
We are a bring your own device shop. Certain employees have their service covered via a company plan, but devices are not provided. We used to be roughly 50/50 with Android/Apple devices, but now we only have a few Android devices left on our plan.

Then you're not talking about the same thing that I am. Of course there will be less tech support issues if employees are bringing their own personal devices and have to support the phones on their own.

We provide cell phones and the iPhones always have trouble due to the stupid iTunes account that people try to share between their work phone and personal phone.

Android devices never have this issue and just work. The iPhone crowd always require assistance and are on the phone with tech support. This could be partially that iPhone people tend to be less tech savvy and require more hand holding (in my experience).

I used iTunes to backup my phone...when I switched from my 6s->8, it was seamless. By the way, even if you're not upgrading to a newer iPhone, it's highly recommended to backup - either via iCloud or iTunes.

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Originally posted by Riley:
Chowder, how did you do that?

Also, I’m very interested in this thread as I’m looking at the SE to replace my dying iPhone 6s. I really miss the size of the 4 and 5.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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But... I do not trust Google with keeping my personal data personal. I do not trust Android with keeping my secure stuff secure. And I particularly distrust Samsung, so, even if I did go Android: It would certainly not be with a Samsung device.
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Isn't the problem the unsecured apps not the OS itself?

There are three problems. Four, or even five, depending upon one's perspective:

• Android is simply too wide-open to abuse, opening one door for poor or exploitive apps
  
• The entry bar to Google's Play Store is too low, and it's too-poorly policed, opening another door to poor or exploitive apps
  
• Even when Google gets it right with, manufacturers and wireless providers sometimes subvert their efforts
  
• The Update cycle (again: the manufacturers and wireless providers) is undependable. (To put it as kindly as possible.)
  
• What data Google collects, how they use it and how they share it
  

These are all things that, IMO, Apple/iOS does better than Google/Android in every respect. So, too, with their latest effort did Microsoft. (Which led to the irony that Android was more MS-Windows-ish, vis-a-vis security, than Microsoft's mobile platform.)

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Originally posted by smschulz:
I guess you could interpolate that it is the OS's job to regulate but if you don't install a bunch of useless (the fact is that most are) apps with no regard to vetting and security then why worry?

Some of the apps on Google's Play Store that have been compromised in the past were not necessarily "useless."

Consider: Back in the day when MS-Windows made little or no effort to discourage end-users running with Admin privileges, was it "useless" of people to install apps that could be subverted to take advantage of that glaring vulnerability? You know: Things like Adobe Acrobat Reader? (Which, by the way, remains a vulnerability-riddled PoS, but at least if users aren't running with elevated privs it can't do as much damage.)

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Also who keeps top secret shit on their cell phone anyway?

If you're an IT guy and you don't have a keyring on your mobile devices, I'd say you're probably in the minority. Hell, a keyring on my mobile device was one of the main reasons I wanted a smart mobile. (I've had a keyring ever since my Palm Centro.)

That keyring was one reason Android had to go, around here. I no longer trusted it being on an Android OS.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Apple is smart enough not to steal from your front side, they wait until you are sleeping.

Actually, Apple has a very customer-oriented, and plainly-explained privacy policy. I've noted it in these forums before. (I'm not going to link to it again, because I doubt anybody reads it.) And everything stored on iCloud is encrypted. And they don't have a back-door key to it. They don't scan, much less harvest data from, your email. Nor your iMessages. Nor anything.

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Originally posted by LBTRS:
We provide cell phones and the iPhones always have trouble due to the stupid iTunes account that people try to share between their work phone and personal phone.

Sounds like self-imposed angst, to me.

Why would you allow employees to share personal and corporate "phone space?"

Use these phones for, among other things, corporate text messaging and email, do you? Are you familiar with the multitude of pitfalls in allowing the intermingling of corporate and personal space? I'm talking pitfalls with Federal implications?

We had one type of phone on the corporate wireless plan: Android or iPhone: It was a company phone. It and everything on it belonged to the corporation. Users were made aware of the fact that if they wanted to retain ownership (and privacy) of their private, non-corporate stuff, keep it off the corporate phones. Otherwise: It's ours.

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Originally posted by LBTRS:
Android devices never have this issue ...

Because the capability does not exist?

Apple's ecosystem is designed to make an individual's experience across multiple devices as seamless as possible. Of course if you allow employees to do that kind of thing with corporate devices that's going to happen.

Google scan all apps in their Play store for exploits. The problems are usually in Asia where Android users installed apps from Chinese apps store and those are wide open.

Android is Linux. Open source does NOT mean wide open for abuses.. LOL Though AOSP isn't exactly open sourced, however open source code can mean the opposite, as codes submitted into GitHub are heavily scrutinized by experts around the world before being allowed to be committed into main source branches. This is different from closed private sources such as iOS, MacOS or Windows etc where it depends on the company's policies for code reviews and coding standards. Most companies I had worked for, the code reviews were usually done by a few engineers on the same project before being allowed to be pushed. Much less stringent.

Don't believe me? Try to submit a buffer overflow or bad clumsy code into any of the Linux or kernel branches or even a sourceforge project like net-snmp and see how they'll ridicule you publicly..

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
Google scan all apps in their Play store for exploits. The problems are usually in Asia where Android users installed apps from Chinese apps store and those are wide open.

Try putting something like "Google Play Store exploit" into your favourite search engine. (W/o the quotes.)

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
Android is Linux. Open source does NOT mean wide open for abuses...

Really?!?! I did not know these things.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Google Play Store exploit

Replace the Google Play with Apple app and you will get the exploits as well.



https://youtu.be/g1J2SObwa68

Note he said that these exploits are found repeatedly on latest iOS and this was the 21st such exploits he has reported on his channel alone.

Look, we get it that you hate Android. You've said so in so many threads. You don't have to repeat the same crap every time someone is looking for a phone.

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you should be able to backup your current phone

while a nifty idea, there is nothing I'm concerned about losing on the iP5.

Even plan on reentering whatever of my phone list still needed. And there's absolutely zero email as I never hooked up that part of the phone.

Rely on desktop for nearly all my text/etc messages.

Plan on expanding actual use of the device potential.

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Google Play Store exploit

Look, we get it that you hate Android. You've said so in so many threads. You don't have to repeat the same crap every time someone is looking for a phone.

Ask him or merely mention Microsoft.

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
Note he said that these exploits are found repeatedly on latest iOS and this was the 21st such exploits he has reported on his channel alone.

You claimed that exploited apps only existed outside Google's Play Store. I thought that, once, too.

You didn't actually look into what I suggested, did you?

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
Look, we get it that you hate Android.

I don't "hate Android." I do not trust Android. There is a difference.

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
You've said so in so many threads. You don't have to repeat the same crap every time someone is looking for a phone.

He's asking for opinions on Android vs. Apple. I offered my opinion. smschulz enquired as to why I held those opinions. One professional to another. I replied. LBTRS Made Certain Claims. I, and others, countered those claims.

This is called "discussion." You should try it, sometime.

And, since you utterly failed to Get The Hint I initially respectfully supplied, please let me put it to you in a way perhaps you will understand: Don't try to teach your grandma to suck eggs.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Ask him or merely mention Microsoft.

Ohhh... I think I have nearly as little regard for Google and Android as I do Microsoft and MS-Windows, these days

Hey! I gave MS a complement, just above. Do I get no credit for that?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
You claimed that exploited apps only existed outside Google's Play Store. I thought that, once, too.

No I did not. I said the hacks were usually found in Asia with various Chinese app stores. As for Apple app store, there have been recent scripting attacks as well. Then there have been recent successful SMS attacks on iOS and iMessage as well.

As long as it is a digital platform with millions of lines of code, it'll be hacked, successfully because many coders are clumsy. Fact.

As for recent security eval, CNET ran their tests and found that recent Android and iOS are comparable in security. Latest Pwn2Own contest had iOS at several holes and Samsung with a hole in its own internet browser on the Galaxy S8 (use Chrome instead on Android, and actually on iOS as well, as Pwn2Own hackers were able to take advantage of several Safari holes).

Pwn2Own

Does the recent FBI/Apple hacking issue in the SoCal massacre necessarily imply TODAY any actual security level advantage over the Android?

Some friends insist their Android are superior for reasons they can't articulate while the Apple buddies make cooing sounds for ease of use etc.

As barely out of the flip phone user phase, there's a lot of stuff I do want to learn in whichever unit lands in my 'take it home' pack.

While I have scanned the various youtube tips via CNET etc, almost always their management pathway takes branches that are different than what was present on the iP5. Sometimes I can learn from the trip, while too often just wasted time.

Is the associated insurance from either 'better' that the other? And which ins.cos are to be avoided?

The "$173/3 year everything" style policy all seem to have such as '$99 deductible/co-pay' etc.

I'll be looking for a site to visit where details are exposed.

Meanwhile, the Apple seems to fit my hand somehow.....'better'......

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Originally posted by signewt:
Does the recent FBI/Apple hacking issue in the SoCal massacre necessarily imply TODAY any actual security level advantage over the Android?

The FBI iPhone unlocking is really a non-issue these days as there are at least 2 companies (Grayshift and Cellebrite) selling tools to governments and law enforcement agencies worldwide that would crack all iPhone passcode in a few minutes. They are expensive though and will sell to only governmental entities.

Buy what suits you. If iPhone feels good to you, then by all mean get it. Both iOS and Android are truly mature mobile platforms and I honestly think that you'll get a great experience with either one.

I have an iPhone 6 and my next phone will be one of these...$59.95. Being tied down to all this tech crap is driving me nuts. I sit in front of the computer all day, I sure don't need to carry one around. Simplify...just a thought.

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Originally posted by Woodman:
iPhone SE. An iPhone5 with the guts of an iPhone6. Mint used condition on Swappa.com, $160. Just got one for the ex-. Spent two weeks figuring it out for her, as I am still using a rotary dial cell phone, and am amazed. Especially with Apple Music.

I still have a Galaxy S4 mint condition for the Sprint network, gifted, not activated, because the Android OS is so alien to me ...

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Originally posted by Woodman:
iPhone SE. An iPhone5 with the guts of an iPhone6. Mint used condition on Swappa.com, $160. Just got one for the ex-. Spent two weeks figuring it out for her, as I am still using a rotary dial cell phone, and am amazed. Especially with Apple Music.

I still have a Galaxy S4 mint condition for the Sprint network, gifted, not activated, because the Android OS is so alien to me ...

Macrumors has the SE rated as "Don't Buy"

I've found their recommendations over the years to be excellent. For example, they correctly predicted 6 months ahead of time that Apple was cancelling the Airport Extreme (despite several Sigforumites poopooing me posting it).

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
Macrumors has the SE rated as "Don't Buy"

I must've missed it. Why do they recommend that? Wouldn't be the phone for me, but, if what you want is an updated SE, because you want a small phone...

final purchase: Samsung 9+
"they told me it would take about a week to learn to fly this thang"......

So far 2 days in, I'm picking up a few new tricks.

Been turning off all the spyware possible; some if the apps seem to be requiring my contact list etc to proceed....so the prompt tells me.

Even sending TXT wants permission.

Looking for a work-around to avoid that.

On a positive note, it really is MILES beyond my 'first training-smart-phone'...

One of the extras it came with was a 5200mAh battery pack/power source/flash light & a fast charger module, plus cords & plugs etc.

Got a 2-part protecto case by Pelican that comes apart when not wanting the belt/pocket clip attached.

Spectacular picture machine too....now if I can figure how to send images without giving away all my contact list to the corporate store....

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Been turning off all the spyware possible; some if the apps seem to be requiring my contact list etc to proceed....so the prompt tells me.

Even sending TXT wants permission.

I think most people would say it's ok and probably necessary for your text app to have permission to use your contacts. Same with the email app and phone app.

I looked at the iPhone X and 8 and decided on the 7. All metal construction and I didn’t need the wireless charging of the 8 and the X is stupid expensive.