The Sobering Facts About Alcohol and Cancer

November 26, 2023, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
How do they eliminate the environmental exposure to chemicals/solvents in the study. We are exposed every day to chemicals, solvents! Walking across my carpet with my bare feet, putting on make up deodorant. To rule out environmental causes you would have to study a tribe of drunken pygmies. I call not enough information in the release notes of the study to form a true answer.

It is impossible to isolate for confounding variables in observational studies. Doesn’t matter if it is cancer or Covid.

November 26, 2023, 03:03 PM

ZSMICHAEL

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Drink in moderation' is one of the most ridiculous statements ever made."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds just like your typical alcoholic.LOL

November 26, 2023, 03:46 PM

P220 Smudge

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Sounds just like your typical alcoholic.LOL

Every last word in that video.

November 26, 2023, 03:49 PM

ftttu

I’ve read about the link of alcohol to cancer and prostate problems over the years, but I stay away because I don’t have any desire for a buzz or straight-out intoxication.

However, I love, Love, LOVE the darkest, thickest, stoutiest beers which I know of no non-alcoholic examples. That keeps me away from consuming any alcohol.

November 26, 2023, 08:59 PM

dave7378

I think genetics probably has a lot to do with. All I have is anecdotal evidence. I've known people who drank and smoked into their 80's, no cancer. One of my closest friends had cancer twice, does not drink or smoke. Who knows? I'm going to live my life enjoying it's pleasures in moderation, ok, maybe a little bit more, and try not to worry about it. Too many boogey men out there to worry about.

November 26, 2023, 09:06 PM

sse

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
"'Drink in moderation' is one of the most ridiculous statements ever made."

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been laughing for 5 minutes

November 26, 2023, 09:43 PM

sigcrazy7

If the images of people being scrapped up off the freeway due to alcohol related accidents doesn’t deter society’s alcohol adoration, I doubt a four percent cancer rate will.

I’m just saying, there’s so many other ways that alcohol will kill you before giving you cancer, and none of that worries most drinkers. Cancer is way down the list, I’d expect.

November 27, 2023, 08:15 AM

220-9er

High fructose corn syrup is another ingestible substance that most people aren't aware they're getting in their foods and has been added to many things in our diet.
Because it's in so many products now and takes years, often decades to do it's damage, accurate studies to measure it's effect are hard to come by.

November 27, 2023, 08:35 AM

MNSIG

^^^^

We'd all like to think that there's "something" we could do to avoid the Grim Reaper. In reality, he comes for all of us and most people with cancer or heart disease, or whatever didn't necessarily do any more of "that thing" than anyone else.

November 27, 2023, 08:46 AM

Balzé Halzé

Hell, my wife recently just banned Hellmann's (Best Foods out by me) mayo from our house due to the shit ingredients she discovered is in it (a lot of GMO crap). Sucks cause I love Hellmann's, but I don't want to eat that crap either if it has shit ingredients.

It's honestly her one biggest complaint about living in the US, the absolute shit that manufacturers are allowed to get away with in what they put into their products. And I have to agree with her. You just won't find GMO mayonnaise in France. It's not permitted. In fact, a lot of US food products are banned for this reason. The real kicker is that a lot of food in the grocery stores there is actually cheaper than what we have here and is of much better quality.

The one food she'll admit that we in the US are far superior in is our red meat. Can't be beat, even in France. You can't find a decent ribeye over there, if you can find one at all. But you can get horse, so there's that.

November 27, 2023, 04:19 PM

pbslinger

I quit Hellman's, alcohol and coffee in the last year. We're sold that booze is fun and games. It isn't.

November 27, 2023, 04:23 PM

HRK

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Hell, my wife recently just banned Hellmann's

November 27, 2023, 04:47 PM

Balzé Halzé

Yeah, Duke's is a great substitute. We have it on the ship, but sadly I don't find it in Utah.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
I quit Hellman's, alcohol and coffee in the last year.

I quit the Hellmann's, but ain't no way I'll ever quit coffee or the boozing.

November 27, 2023, 06:45 PM

SIG4EVA

If you are having 6+ drinks everyday, you are an alcoholic.

November 27, 2023, 06:54 PM

goose5

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Yeah, Duke's is a great substitute. We have it on the ship, but sadly I don't find it in Utah.

I get it at Wal Mart here in Southern Colorado.

December 01, 2023, 01:37 PM

ensigmatic

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Originally posted by 6guns:
Cancer does thrive on sugar...

Common misconception. Alcohol ≠ sugar.

But, here's a funny ol' thing I did not know:

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Regular alcohol consumption

(1-2 drinks a night, or just regular weekend drinking)

Increases baseline cortisol levels

This makes you stressed and anxious

Ref: https://twitter.com/hubermanru.../1728819151098028446

I have noticed, in the past, that cutting out what little moderate drinking I did seemed to have an impact on fat loss far in excess of what I would have expected from the small calorie intake reduction realized thereby.

Here's the thing about cortisol: Increased cortisol levels have all kinds of negative effects--among them it increases blood sugars, stress, cancer risk, and insulin resistance. It may reduce Basal Metabolic Rate. It may reduce testosterone in males.

In short: Persistent excess cortisol is not good.

I think I've had one beer since Sober October. No spirits.

I think I'm just gonna stick with avoiding the regular consumption of alcoholic beverages--even in moderation.

December 01, 2023, 03:31 PM

ZSMICHAEL

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I’m just saying, there’s so many other ways that alcohol will kill you before giving you cancer, and none of that worries most drinkers. Cancer is way down the list, I’d expect.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cirrhosis of the liver is at the top. Dying from pancreatitis or cirrhosis is pretty ugly.

December 01, 2023, 03:48 PM

IntrepidTraveler

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
I can see how drinking what amounts to a solvent.....

Water is a solvent.

Sorry, this is one of my "trigger" topics - the imprecise use of language, particularly technical things. That's like saying some natural remedy is "chemical free" - not so, everything is made up of chemicals.

December 02, 2023, 08:07 AM

snidera

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Originally posted by Nuclear:
I’m sorry, but alcohols are one of the most common compounds found in nature, after sugars/ carbs. As a result, the human body is really good at processing a limited amount of alcohol. So intentional consumption of more alcohol is responsible for only 4% of all cancers?? That’s it? And I have to consume much more than 2 glasses a day for it to really matter? Could it be the contaminates in the alcohol being consumed?

I thought being overweight was the cause of additional cancers. Or was it smoking? Too much sugar, yeah, that was it. No, wait, it was having an acidic diet. Unless it was an acidic diet from the Mediterranean. Maybe not enough vitamin D, unless you get too much of it from sunshine. Or not enough selenium (except that is toxic if you get too much). I’m having trouble keeping up.

What I do know is there are very few chemicals we KNOW will cause cancer. There are a bunch that have a high correlation, like the mixture we call tobacco and it’s smoke. Hell, although ionizing radiation has a high correlation to cancer, and we know the actual mechanism of how it causes cancer, there is evidence that exposure to low levels of ionizing radiation actually is good for you, it stimulates your immune system and cellular repair.

I think we need to focus on getting rid of the artificial chemicals in the environment that our bodies can’t process.

These are the same statistical "analysis" methods that give us 'proof' of global warming & that commiecootie vaccines are 96% effective.

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According to IARC data, heavy drinking — defined as more than 60 g/day or about six daily drinks — accounts for 47% of the alcohol-attributable cancers. Risky drinking — between 20 and 60 g/day — accounts for 29%, she explained, while moderate drinking — less than 20 g/day or about two daily drinks — accounts for roughly 14% of cases of alcohol-attributable cancers.

Globally, alcohol intake accounted for 4% of all cancers diagnosed in 2020, according to a 2021 analysis by IARC.

Heavy drinking "accounts for" ~50% of 4% of all cancers. But of course Heavy + Risky + Moderate drinking don't add up to 100% of the "accountable" cases, so you might assume there's 20% or more error in the analysis.
The Order of the Statisticians probably just issued a fatwa on me for this post.

Want to have a fun conversation? Explain that Cpk (process capability) on a 5-piece sample is meaningless, but required to get approval. Why 5-pieces? Because you can't fit any more on their stupid format AND you don't build enough samples to get a realistic Cpk anyway. To do it correctly would require >100 pages of paper that nobody would confirm since they don't understand the ~10 used now. Not to mention the 40+ man hours it would take to do the study & make the documents (I have 1 person to do 5 of these in 3 days). But if you don't put anything in that cell or you don't put a large enough number (that the creator &/or approver doesn't understand), it will highlight it red & you won't get it approved. That's actually the 'training' I overheard.

I'm not an expert in statistics, but I have learned that if my only argument involves statistics, I have a shitty argument.

December 02, 2023, 08:29 AM

chellim1

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I'm not an expert in statistics, but I have learned that if my only argument involves statistics, I have a shitty argument.
The Order of the Statisticians probably just issued a fatwa on me for this post.

But I'll take my chances with a shot of whiskey or a beer over an mRNA shot...

mRNA COVID Vaccines May Be Triggering ‘Turbo Cancers’ in Young People: Experts

Experts are seeing a puzzling rise in cancer in people under 50 that appears biologically different from late-onset cancers. While some claim cancer rates have been rising for decades and attribute the increase to sugary drinks, lifestyle, and sleep disruptions, others say mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have caused an emergence of “turbo cancers”
—and U.S. regulatory agencies have not addressed the ever-growing problem.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/...mpaign=new&utm_term=