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July 04, 2018, 10:38 AM
joatmonv
Cast iron skillet question
A real brief history of my set.
Grandmother died quite a while ago and my parents got the set of Griswold pans. Sat in the basement for a long time and I restored them last year.
I've been using these pans quite frequently for the past year especially last Winter when I couldn't grill. After cleaning them up and reseasoning them, they've been great. Nothing has stuck to them at all except the last 2 times.
I put together a rub for steaks and am wondering if something in the rub is causing it. I will add that the steaks are not sticking badly but there's a definite issue. Also, clean up of the skillet has not gone smoothly like usual.
Here's the ingredients in the rub:
Kosher salt
Celery salt
Onion powder
Garlic powder
Tumeric
Black pepper
Paprika
Cayenne pepper
Sugar
Coffee

No acidic liquids and steaks are cooked on medium heat.
Any ideas? Thanks in advance.


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July 04, 2018, 10:54 AM
houndawg
Sugar is sticky.

Make sure the pan is searing hot before putting the steaks on. Meat on a cold pan will stick like crazy. I like to put in just a little oil to create a barrier layer. If you try to flip the steak too early it will stick. It will release and be ready to flip on its own time.

I use a wood spatula to scrape the pan when still hot. I also lightly use a chaiin mail scrubber under water to get the stuck on stuff.

Do you oil and heat the pan after cleanup? That should be done pretty much every time. You can also periodically do a single oven seasoning just put another layer of polymerization on.
July 04, 2018, 10:56 AM
MikeGLI
Its definitely the sugar.




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Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat.
July 04, 2018, 11:48 AM
Excam_Man
Sugar... I quit using sugar because of this.




July 04, 2018, 12:34 PM
Fenris
Skip the sticky Sugar. Besides, meat is supposed to be savory not sweet. It's not meat candy.

But I would also suggest using butter rather than oil. Not only does it taste better, but it releases better, particularly if you drop the meat while the butter is still sizzling.




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July 04, 2018, 01:09 PM
mrbill345
Agree that it's most likely the sugar.

I've been preheating mine in the oven at 500°, then put the skillet onto the stove at medium high.

Steaks are rubbed & sit out for an hour.couple of tablespoons of butter per steak & when the butter starts to brown, put the steaks into the pan & reduce heat to medium low. Flip every 2 min while basting with melted butter until internal temp of 120°.

Cover with foil & lest rest for at least 10 min.

Did that this past weekend & came out perfectly medium rare.

Perfect Cast Iron Steak

quote:
Oven to the Rescue
But I realized there was a change that could provide a solution: heating the pan in the oven. It would take a little longer, but because the oven’s heat is not concentrated on a single part of the pan but rather comes at the pan more or less evenly from all directions, it guaranteed an evenly heated pan. An added advantage was that the oven could be set to a specific temperature, no matter what the heat source, whereas when using the stovetop I had found it difficult to accurately specify a single burner setting that worked across all types of heat sources.

But what was the best oven temperature? My goal was to get the skillet hot enough so that vegetable oil, which has a smoke point of between 400 and 450 degrees, would start to smoke as soon as I added it to the skillet. I put the skillet in the cold oven, as there was no sense in waiting for the oven to heat before adding the skillet, and set the oven temperature to 400 degrees. However, when I added the oil after heating the skillet, it took some time to start smoking. I continued to test temperatures at 25-degree intervals, pulling the skillet out and searing steaks, and eventually worked my way up to 500 degrees, which I found to be the ideal setting.

Now for the steak itself. I chose thick boneless strip steaks because they have big, beefy flavor and are easy to find. Salting the steaks and letting them sit while my pan heated in the oven would not only season the meat throughout but also help keep it moist and juicy. Patting them dry before searing helped them brown even more.

My next question was how much oil to use—and it turned out that I needed more than I thought I would. As meat cooks, it contracts; any ridges or divots get bigger, and without oil, they don’t touch a heat source, resulting in a spotty brown steak rather than a gorgeously browned one. I settled on 2 tablespoons of oil, a hefty but necessary amount.

Flipping Out

Two problems remained: I was still getting a rather large gray band, the area between the crust and interior that dries out and turns chalky. And my beautifully preheated pan was so hot that the crust it produced was actually too good—it was too thick and almost unpleasantly crunchy. To eliminate the gray band, one of my coworkers suggested that I try flipping the steak more often (I had been flipping it only once). The idea made sense, since each time a steak is flipped, the side not touching the skillet cooks with residual heat, which penetrates the meat more slowly, resulting in a smaller gray band. I wondered if flipping might also help prevent an overly thick crust. I found that flipping once every 2 minutes was just the right amount to ensure a perfectly rosy interior, but the crust was still thicker than I liked.

Then I did something I never thought I would do when searing: I turned down the heat. Because the cast iron retained the heat so well once it got up to the proper temperature, turning down the heat actually maintained the temperature I wanted, whereas keeping the heat high increased the skillet’s temperature as time went on. So I got a great initial sear over medium-high heat and then reduced the heat until I found a sweet spot: about 8 minutes over medium-low heat. Combined with flipping every 2 minutes, this produced a perfect, gorgeously browned crust and a rosy interior from edge to edge.

The steak was now fantastic on its own, but a simple accompaniment would make it that much more special. Mixing up a compound butter to melt over the resting steaks was easier than making a pan sauce and was just as flavorful.




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July 04, 2018, 03:19 PM
joatmonv
Was kinda thinking sugar but also was thinking coffee since it normally doesn't get cooked.
I only have a small amount of the rub left in a ziploc bag, guess I'll make another batch and skip the sugar. See how that goes.
I've used butter in some cast iron recipes before and it was good. I normally don't put anything in the pan because nothing sticks. It's so well seasoned that I just use a sponge with hot water when I clean it. It does get oiled back up after cleaning.
Thank you all for the tips.


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July 04, 2018, 03:30 PM
tatortodd
For searing steaks on a cast iron pan, I brush the steak with a good high smoke point oil (I use avocado oil w/ 500 degree smoke point) prior to cooking.

Additionally, I preheat the cast iron skillet at 475 since it's below the oil's smoke point. When you smoke the oil it produces a bad taste as well as potentially producing more smoke than exhaust fan can get out (i.e. house stinks and likely set off smoke detectors).

Unlike the link from MrBill, I reverse sear my steaks. I put them on indirect heat at 225 on my BGE w/ oak lump charcoal and a few chunks of hickory. Once the steak hits 115-120, then I bring it inside to sear on the preheated skillet over a medium high flame. I flip every 30 to 60 seconds until I hit the desired 131 for medium rare. The reverse sear produces the desired malliard reaction (carmelizing the surface) and only produces a thin layer of grey well done meat (i.e. I get more medium rare meat this way).



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July 04, 2018, 03:45 PM
joatmonv
quote:
Originally posted by tatortodd:

Unlike the link from MrBill, I reverse sear my steaks. I put them on indirect heat at 225 on my BGE w/ oak lump charcoal and a few chunks of hickory. Once the steak hits 115-120, then I bring it inside to sear on the preheated skillet over a medium high flame. I flip every 30 to 60 seconds until I hit the desired 131 for medium rare. The reverse sear produces the desired malliard reaction (carmelizing the surface) and only produces a thin layer of grey well done meat (i.e. I get more medium rare meat this way).


I did the same thing last night. Oven at 275 and bring internal temperature to 125. I let the steak rest for 15 mins. Medium heat on the cast iron and about a minute on each side. Skillet is on heat for about 10 mins prior.
I let it rest when I take it out of the pan and it turns out great.


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July 04, 2018, 05:03 PM
bayouman
The sugar


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July 04, 2018, 05:10 PM
Gustofer
Everybody else is wrong. It's the sugar. Wink Big Grin

Only two things you can do:

1. Don't add sugar.

2. Don't cook it at a high enough temperature to caramelize the sugar.


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July 04, 2018, 07:21 PM
Strambo
Yeah, for rubs I make for smoking meats, I like a 1:1 ratio of brown sugar and salt.

If it is going on a grill or in a pan, I skip the sugar!




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