I started working in the operating room back in the 1980’s. Even then we knew so many of surgical reassignment patients would go on to commit suicide. They did not receive proper medical psychiatric treatment then nor now.

Hmm, my guess is attention junkie/narcissist.

Drives the “change”, gets the attention and spotlight time goes on folks forget.

Definitely used by left for the “see even manly men can be girls and tough guys are just overcompensating” angle. They got their talking points out of him and moved on tossing him out like a used shoe before moving on to their next hood ornament.

Goes through “look at me” withdrawal and wants to get back into the stoplight. Craves the attention and thinks it validates the poor choices.

Horrible cycle that never really addresses the underlying mental issue.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
It is a profound mental illness...

Yup!

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
42 years an LEO. Never met a single one of these deviants who was not wacko in other ways as well.

^^^ THIS in spades.

Heard him on Mike Ritland’s podcast early on in his series.

4 hour conversation.

20 year career. 13 deployments.

Troubled no doubt.

‘MikeDrop”

Episode 4 - Chief Beck

https://youtu.be/wBcd3Av7Fa0

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
Hmm, my guess is attention junkie/narcissist.

Well he was a SEAL. I’m hoping he writes a book and the first half is about how hard BUDS was.

All kidding aside, he clearly made horrible choices but any additional voice who draws attention to the poison that is gender surgery and mutilation of our children is welcome supporting fires. The kiddie trans industry is truly sick and must be eradicated.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
I have a doctor friend who mentors students in med school.

One evening, I had dinner with her, her husband, and a med student. The med student wisely observed, "if someone comes into the clinic with anorexia, nobody in the medical field is giving that person medications or surgeries to get skinnier. Instead, we treat the patient's body dysmorphia. Why is there such a strong push in the medical community to ignore a person's gender dysmorphia, and give medications and surgeries?"

In so many ways, that observation is profound.

Well, I guess he SEALed his fate. What a dipstick....

It’s interesting to read the different reactions to this story.

I recently sat through training on “emotional intelligence” and took an online survey that supposedly measures one’s level on the spectrum. The survey was poorly designed and very superficial, but I scored the worst on “social awareness,” which is claimed to be our ability to understand and feel what other people feel.

Despite my evident lack of empathy and appreciation of other people’s circumstances, I can’t help but feel a bit sad in thinking of this man’s life and wonder what led someone like that who had endured so much to reach a pinnacle of military ability and performance to make such a bizarre decision later. Another atheist once wrote that (paraphrasing) “although we don’t have true free will, society must act as though we do.” By “free will” he was referring to the idea that we have perfect control over our beliefs and actions and therefore everything we do is as the result of rational thought and analysis, and when we make bad decisions we could have acted differently if we’d really wanted to.

Fundamentally that’s true of course, but there are countless examples of people doing things that in retrospect they could explain only by, “It seemed like a good idea at the time.” I don’t believe I’m alone in regretting many of the things I’ve done throughout my life, but which seemed justified at the time. I’ve never done anything as strange and drastic as changing my outward sexual characteristics, but I have much more vivid recollections of the mistakes in my life than the successes or other good decisions.

Some of what affects our failures to be masters of our own fate are things like societal and cultural norms and pressures, but much is just how our brains are wired and function. If the first is often largely beyond our control and influence, the second—our brains—are far harder to change, and sometimes impossible. I’m fortunate to have a high enough IQ to be a member of Mensa, but part of that intelligence is the recognition that not everyone was born with the same type of brain that I have. When I interact with others, and especially when teaching them, I must recognize that fact and act accordingly, but I must also recognize that countless people who don’t have the same IQ test score are nevertheless far superior to me in other ways.

The man in this sorry tale isn’t the same as I, and I can only wonder what led him to destroy his own life. I will give him credit, though, for having the courage to admit that his decision was a horrifying mistake, and with the intention of helping others avoid something similar. He could have just said, “I did it, I’m glad, and I’d do it again,” gone on the appropriate circuit, and accepted the adulation and being feted, and hid the regrets about something that couldn’t be changed. Was his motivation at least in part to continue to attract attention? Possibly, just as much of what most of us do is intended to attract attention and thereby influence others, but I’ll still give him credit for saying something that should be said these days, and regardless of why he said it.

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Even then we knew so many of surgical reassignment patients would go on to commit suicide. They did not receive proper medical psychiatric treatment then nor now.

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In the 1970s there were about three centers that dealt with surgical reassignment. All had extensive prescreeing including multiple visits with a clincal psychologist to determine whether or not to proceed. This process was lengthy and thorough and most patients were not approved. This was about the time Christine Jorgensen story became known.
Children and teens were not even considered back then, which was of course correct.
Like the ADHD epidemic it has become big business for some unscrupulous folks.

My one encounter with Mensa members left me totally unimpressed.

A bunch of people who were pretty socially inept and held nickel and dime positions for the most part.

Not all of them, but a significant number.

I didn't become a member.

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My one encounter with Mensa members left me totally unimpressed.

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They let you in?? lol
Many years ago Money magazine profiled Mensa members. They clearly demonstrated that being a Mensa member did not translate into financial prosperity. Most were living on the edge of financial ruin.

Is this a serious admission that it really was a mistake, or, no longer being in the limelight or getting the attention he craves, is thrusting his mental illness back into the media world an attempt to garner more attention.

Getting the whole cut and tuck operation is one thing, putting it out there for everyone to see is another.

Hayesgreener hit the nail on the head, all these people that go to these extremes have plenty of other mental issues.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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My one encounter with Mensa members left me totally unimpressed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They let you in?? lol
Many years ago Money magazine profiled Mensa members. They clearly demonstrated that being a Mensa member did not translate into financial prosperity. Most were living on the edge of financial ruin.

My brother was intensely interested, so I went along once. He was a 155 IQ and lived on the edge financially. Still does.

It seemed that once IQ goes over 150, the people in that category seem to get more and more odd and inept.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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My one encounter with Mensa members left me totally unimpressed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They let you in?? lol
Many years ago Money magazine profiled Mensa members. They clearly demonstrated that being a Mensa member did not translate into financial prosperity. Most were living on the edge of financial ruin.

My brother was intensely interested, so I went along once. He was a 155 IQ and lived on the edge financially. Still does.

It seemed that once IQ goes over 150, the people in that category seem to get more and more odd and inept.

MENSA requires a 98th percentile IQ (about 130) or Standardized Test result (such as GRE).

Intelligence is one aspect of human capability - ability to influence and lead others, risk taking (can't be really successful without taking risks), dedication to completing tasks because they need to be done even if they are boring/uninteresting, and other factors are important too.

Being over-capable in one aspect tends to detract from the others.

Derailing, guys

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
When lawsuits become payouts this Münchausen syndrome by proxy on children will come to a smoking halt.

Who is going to sue who?

cut's dick off
"OMG, I destroyed my life! How could I have known?"

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Originally posted by HayesGreener: 42 years an LEO. Never met a single one of these deviants who was not wacko in other ways as well.

I had a co-worker that was a LEO, supervisor, and SWAT team member. He never presented himself as a "Wacko" and was a highly competent, respected member of my department. Absolutely solid as a cop and after he retired he "came out" as a transgender. Does he have a psychological problem? I'm not a mental health professional, but I certainly believe that's the case. How he came to identify as a woman, I have no idea, but his issue(s) don't mean that I'll treat him as a pariah, any more that I'd shun him if he had some other affliction.

He's a good person, an honest and hard worker that earned respect from myself, other co-workers and citizens that dealt with him for more than two decades on the street. I pray that he receives the treatment he needs. He has a wife and children that love him and depend upon him. There's a very small minority of his former co-workers that feel uncomfortable sitting near him at social events. Would they feel that way if he'd lost a limb due to cancer or become disfigured due to another medical issue? Probably. But I'm not in that camp. He isn't taking these actions because he's morally corrupt or being punished by God for doing something bad. He needs proper treatment, not some quack prescribing drugs that can cause irreparable harm after a 60 minute "evaluation" (chat) that couldn't possibly get to the root of what's causing these symptoms or how the issue can be dealt with. Our "mental health professionals" need to stop projecting their own illnesses and deal with these cases, rather than normalizing behaviors that are clearly abnormal.

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by HayesGreener: 42 years an LEO. Never met a single one of these deviants who was not wacko in other ways as well.

I had a co-worker that was a LEO, supervisor, and SWAT team member. He never presented himself as a "Wacko" and was a highly competent, respected member of my department. Absolutely solid as a cop and after he retired he "came out" as a transgender. Does he have a psychological problem? I'm not a mental health professional, but I certainly believe that's the case. How he came to identify as a woman, I have no idea, but his issue(s) don't mean that I'll treat him as a pariah, any more that I'd shun him if he had some other affliction.

He's a good person, an honest and hard worker that earned respect from myself, other co-workers and citizens that dealt with him for more than two decades on the street. I pray that he receives the treatment he needs. He has a wife and children that love him and depend upon him. There's a very small minority of his former co-workers that feel uncomfortable sitting near him at social events. Would they feel that way if he'd lost a limb due to cancer or become disfigured due to another medical issue? Probably. But I'm not in that camp. He isn't taking these actions because he's morally corrupt or being punished by God for doing something bad. He needs proper treatment, not some quack prescribing drugs that can cause irreparable harm after a 60 minute "evaluation" (chat) that couldn't possibly get to the root of what's causing these symptoms or how the issue can be dealt with. Our "mental health professionals" need to stop projecting their own illnesses and deal with these cases, rather than normalizing behaviors that are clearly abnormal.

This.
Right now I have a child with a friend that believes themselves to be in the “wrong bodysuit” so to speak- they are prepubescent. The parents have them in therapy and I pray they can figure something out, because this kid is bright, articulate, charming and competent. I cannot imagine how horrible things will become when puberty hits if the folks in charge of therapy fail them.