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Might have that name wrong. My french isn't very good.

https://apnews.com/article/ene...97b899108ec8a8c94856

France to build new nuclear-powered aircraft carrier

PARIS (AP) — France will build a new, nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to replace its Charles de Gaulle carrier by 2038, French President Emmanuel Macron announced Tuesday.

Macron framed the decision to use nuclear reactors to propel the future warship as part of France’s climate strategy, stressing its lower emissions compared to diesel fuel.

Speaking at a nuclear facility in the Burgundy town of Le Creusot, he called France’s nuclear weapons and atomic energy industry “the cornerstone of our strategic autonomy,” and said the nuclear sector plays a role in France’s “status as a great power.”

One of his advisers noted that having an aircraft carrier also helps France project its global influence. Only a few countries in the world maintain the huge, costly vessels.

The new French aircraft carrier will be about 70,000 tons and 300 meters long, roughly 1.5 times the size of the Charles de Gaulle, which has been deployed for international military operations in Iraq and Syria in recent years, according to French presidential advisers.

Its catapults will be electro-magnetic, and American-made, and the ship will be designed to accommodate next-generation warplanes and serve until around 2080, the advisers said.

They didn’t provide a price tag but French media estimate it will cost around 7 billion euros ($8.5 billion).

Macron also pledged 500 million euros in investment in the nuclear industry and a separate fund to modernize it, and promised “progress” on the persistent problem of how to permanently get rid of nuclear waste. Nuclear reactors provide the majority of France’s electricity, but many reactors are aging and delays have dogged new-generation reactors.

Macron, who is co-hosting a global video summit on Saturday to mark the fifth anniversary of the Paris climate accord, said France also must do more to develop wind, solar, hydrogen and other renewable energies.




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Merde! 18 years before its in service?


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maybe longer, look at the launch system they plan to use Wink




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Merde! 18 years before its in service?


The French are serious about their lunch hour(s).


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Its catapults will be electro-magnetic


Uh oh. This should get interesting.


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Might have that name wrong. My french isn't very good.


How original and witty. Not to mention grammatical gibberish.
 
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Or more accurately....maybe they will name it “Lafayette” as it will be projecting French Naval power overseas during our next revolution.


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Merde! 18 years before its in service?


Makes this all the more impressive done with slipsticks and drafting tables:



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Merde! 18 years before its in service?


Makes this all the more impressive done with slipsticks and drafting tables:

[FLASH_VIDEO]<iframe frameborder="0" height="408" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UudGYuRcSFc" width="725"></iframe>[/FLASH_VIDEO]


That New Jersey was a beautiful ship. Graceful lines.


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That New Jersey was a beautiful ship. Graceful lines.


Along with the other three Iowa class.


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I guess they can have their one carrier group.

I did not realize the US dwarfs every other country by comparison. We have 11 of the 22 carriers in service today. The most anybody else has is 2: China, Italy, and United Kingdom.

And, yes, I was on the Big E.



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France is one of the very few countries that can actually project power, and does. Witness it's constant but, under reported activities in West Africa. If things continue to heat up in the Eastern Med between Greece/Turkey and Lebanon teetering, France is going to be the one getting involved. France is also one of the few countries that embraces nuclear power and the all advances that such science brings.

When their first nuclear carrier Charles de Gaulle was built, it took 8 years to build and then another five years of unforeseen shipyard work due to all the technical problems. They got it done and have been projecting power the last decade to include multiple cross-decking ops with the USN. Hats off as they continue down the path of building a successor and maintaining presence on the seas. Hope they built two as a single-build is incredibly costly.

Here's some more details and artist impressions of what designs they're looking at.
 
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«Onserend» (we surrender) has a distinct french musical sound to it Wink

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Surely it will be as powerful as a parfait fart.




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Some rather ignorant comments, France is neck deep in counterterrorism in Africa and works closely with allies. Don’t mistake crappy leadership for cowardice in WW2
 
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Some rather ignorant comments, France is neck deep in counterterrorism in Africa and works closely with allies. Don’t mistake crappy leadership for cowardice in WW2


Calm down killer. Its just a joke. Roll Eyes
 
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Some rather ignorant comments, France is neck deep in counterterrorism in Africa and works closely with allies. Don’t mistake crappy leadership for cowardice in WW2


Calm down killer. Its just a joke. Roll Eyes


About the oldest “joke” on here. And it’s never funny or original...or accurate for that matter.

We likely wouldn’t even exist as a free country without the intervention, aid and support of the French.


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The French that supported us in the Revolutionary wars got their heads lopped off a decade or so later.

This is a different France, one that has consistently been on the opposite side of US geopolitics for almost a century, since 1940 or so (I start at Vichy France).
 
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The French that supported us in the Revolutionary wars got their heads lopped off a decade or so later.

This is a different France, one that has consistently been on the opposite side of US geopolitics for almost a century, since 1940 or so (I start at Vichy France).


EXACTLY!

Yes, the French bailed us out in the Revolution. We owed them a huge debt for this assistance; a debt we paid in full in WWI. Oh, and then we saved their ungrateful butts AGAIN in WWII, meaning they owe us big. And, don't forget; the (Vichy) French SIDED WITH GERMANY in WWII, and for all practical purposes, were part of the Axis powers. I've read several history books that indicate, over and over, that the French seemed far more willing to fight against the British and Americans than against the Germans.

There were several fleet actions in the Med that saw the French naval forces fighting the British and Americans. Look up the British Attack on Mers-el-Kebir (the French still hold a grudge against Britain because of this, calling it a 'betrayal') and the Battle of Casablanca, where the US fought French naval units (the battleship USS Massachusetts dueled the French battleship Jean Bart there).

And yet, the French are still pissed off at us because we didn't bail them out of their mess in Indochina (Vietnam).

The France that helped us out in the Revolution was Louis the XVI's France, a government which ceased to exist during the French Revolution.

Oh, and few people probably realize the US actually went to war against France from 1798-1800, in the Quasi-War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War

So, yes, "France" helped us win our independence, and we should never forget that. But, we paid that debt and then some, and the France that saved us doesn't exist any more. Therefore, I don't see any reason to 'let up' on them. They have earned their bad reputation.

Now, France DID support Israel early on (French aircraft were crucial to Israel winning the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur Wars), so I do give France some credit for that. But, Israel did all the actual fighting, and France's record in war for the past 100 years is hardly something to brag about.



This came out during the general French-bashing era around the time of Operation Iraqi Freedom, but is good for a chuckle or two:

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The Complete Military History of France

* Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian (Julius Caesar).

* Hundred Years War - Mostly lost. Saved at last moment by schizophrenic teenaged girl, who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare: "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

* Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars to the Italians.

* Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

* Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

* War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

* The Dutch War - Tied

* War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

* War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

* American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

* French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

* The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

* The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

* World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States.

* World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

* War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

* Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French.

* War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador, fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.



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And I recall they denied us the use of their airspace when we went after Quadafi in 86.
The airspace that covers the graves of thousands of Americans!


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