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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
And in other dam news.... one day soom there may be a heck of a wave to surf north of Mosul....
Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Doing my best to shape America's youth |
Jabouri don't surf!!! Clarior Hinc Honos BSA Dad, Cheer Dad | |||
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Nosce te ipsum |
Wow, that is some damage. Thank God the bedrock was there! | |||
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I do large scale commercial concrete repair for a living and still can't fathom a repair of this scope. I'm struggling to figure out just how much rebar they will need to restructure and support that much concrete. That's enough work to keep 500 guys working for a couple years. Hell the rebar alone would take a year not counting form work and pouring the concrete. It would be a good idea to build a temporary concrete plant right on site and pump it up the dam. I would love to be involved in a project like this. Hopefully it is being done by true professionals and not the lowest bidder. | |||
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Without extensive test boring, no one is confident that the rock under the spillway is competent. Further the spillway will have to be used again during snowmelt (the snow pack is 150-180% of normal) and is expected to erode further toward the dam. It is widely assumed that "deferred maintenance" played a significant part in the spillway failure, if so the politicians wasted a lot of tax payer money. The spillway failure has also resulted in the temporary shut down of the power plant which costs the state about $40 million a month in lost power sales. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
The winner will be the lowest price, minority- Native American- disabled veteran- transgendered- woman Eskimo-owned small business unit in a historically black college and university business located in a HUBzone. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Not really from Vienna |
I'm looking at the spillway picture on a cell phone-I can't tell for sure but it sure looks like there's no rebar in that concrete. Can someone with a bigger display see any? | |||
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Avoiding slam fires |
Been watching this thread,the pic's I saw had very little and spaced wide apart | |||
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This photo does not show it clearly, but the spillway was properly reinforced. While it would not meet current standards and best practices, it did meet those in place in the mid- sixties when it was designed and built. There is some question if the rock under the section which failed was competent, but test borings were made I believe in the 1950's. Analysis of those borings seems to have been lost, but it is assumed that no problems were identified. Was the spillway properly maintained---most probably not. Engineers can but recommend maintenance---politicians decide. Evidently the Moonbeam Special Bullet Train to Nowhere was more important. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
It sounds like it's a good time to go back and check the rock before they do anything else. If nothing else, they can tear up as much more of the skirt as they need to. | |||
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No double standards |
Why is that so funny and at the same time so sad? We once lost a bid to such a firm, which the gov'ts chief technical officer ruled was not qualified to do the work. But the contracting officer overruled. The winning firm damaged the site beyond repair, the contracting officer decided to chalk it up to public relations. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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I am certainly not an expert in construction scheduling (or much of anything else), but those who seem to know think the spillway replacement will be a multiyear job. This photo does not show the massive hole(s) to the right (photo orientation) of the spillway created in the brief time the failed spillway was in use. To further compound the problem, the failed spillway will have to be used during this year's snow melt season which will likely be a long one. When it is used more damage will ensue and its use results in clogging the deep pool below, which shuts down the power plant If the Fall/Winter of 2017 is wet, and previous wet cycles have been 3-4 years in length, the spillway will be needed again early and often. . To summarize; the repair/replacement is going to be a lengthy, tricky, and very expensive undertaking. Will political heads roll? You have to be kidding, this is CA. | |||
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Only the strong survive |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQe0J5NLLT4 WOW...listen to him saying the World is Watching and rewriting the rules. These guys have been out to lunch. Maybe an 8A minority firm did the original design? $200 million spent so far. 41 41 | |||
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Only the strong survive |
I worked for an 8A firm back in 1980 to 1981. We worked for the FAA and a lot of the people they hired were not qualified to work on the job. Three of us brought in most of the business and some of the projects were overpriced by the President from our input. After working many hours and not getting our just due, all three of us left and they just about went under. The FAA was not happy with the remaining people that would be working on the projects so they cancelled most of them. 8A Minority Contract Firms are just another waste of taxpayers money. 41 41 | |||
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