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posted July 27, 2022 02:33 PM Hide Post
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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
It brings to mind the movie The Patriot, where when war with England was being discussed prior to hostilities beginning, the point was made that it will take place in our cities and homes, in front of our families.
Be careful what you wish for!
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And the example you give turned out extremely well didn't it?

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A civil war in the US would today utterly eclipse the first civil war in terms of casualties. In the battle of Shiloh, the first major battle of the Civil War, more men were killed than in the entire Revolution. In one battle.

That was mainly because of the changes in weaponry, especially the introduction of rifled barrels in the Springfield and Enfield rifles of North and South.

Weapons and explosives commonly available today would produce bloodbaths on an unimaginable scale.
Look at what one man, Timothy McVeigh, managed with a common fertiliser and a truck. Imagine over a span of time hundreds of explosions like that in the hubs of busy large cities, government buildings, schools, churches.

To live in a civil war is to live in a constant, 24/7 state of anxiety and open-ended fear. New ways to kill are constantly introduced so that anything, and anyplace at all, might now be a weapon or the site of a mass killing.

You go out to work and your kids go to school in that uncertainty about who will come home.

At one point, the LTTE, Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam, realised that a fad item, the transistor radio, could be loaded with explosives and left around train stations and schools, hotels and offices. Someone would casually pick up the apparently lost radio, turn it on, and have their hands and arms blown off. This kind of thing becomes not an isolated event to be reported on the news, but rather the reality you now inhabit.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Is our government, regardless of which party is in power at the moment, hopelessly corrupt?
Yes!
Do Americans view each other with suspicion and distrust, thanks to politicians and the media? Yes!
Will armed revolution bring about change? Doubtful!
What it will bring about is chaos, bloodshed and the end of America.
It brings to mind the movie The Patriot, where when war with England was being discussed prior to hostilities beginning, the point was made that it will take place in our cities and homes, in front of our families.
Be careful what you wish for!

Yes, and it should be avoided.
But... not at all cost.
Most of us just want to be left alone to live our lives. Those who wish to control our every thought and action, including our food, energy and even the CO2 we exhale are making that increasingly difficult.

If people lose faith in the integrity of elections, political solutions become impossible.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Isn't that the nature, by definition, of having two sides? Otherwise, we'd be on the same side. This is surprising?

"And half of all Americans believe the other side is misinformed about politics because of where they get their information and news, the poll found."

Only the right side is right about this though. The left / wrong side can believe this, but they'd be wrong.

You are right about today, but I don’t believe it was like that forty or fifty years ago. My sense at least was that we were all Americans and all wanted the best for America. There may have been disagreements about the best way to get there, but there could be discussions where each side listened respectfully to, and sometimes even learned something from, the other. Today, that ship has very much sailed. There is extreme division and the media and the politicians encourage and amplify that divisiveness.

I’m with Chellim one this one. I also don’t know how anyone in this thread is in the least surprised about the results of this poll, especially that there are people on the left that want to burn it all down. Look up John Brown Gun Club and the Socialist Rifle Association. Them, Antifa, and BLM would be those 1 in 5, yes.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Are there many examples in history where corrupt abusive governments were able to correct their faults without widespread violence to put in check the abusive authority?

Corrupt, abusive governments are not self healing. Historically they are either overthrown internally, defeated by an enemy invader or eventually implode under the weight of their failed policies.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Is our government, regardless of which party is in power at the moment, hopelessly corrupt? Yes!
Do Americans view each other with suspicion and distrust, thanks to politicians and the media? Yes!
Will armed revolution bring about change? Doubtful!
What it will bring about is chaos, bloodshed and the end of America.
It brings to mind the movie The Patriot, where when war with England was being discussed prior to hostilities beginning, the point was made that it will take place in our cities and homes, in front of our families.
Be careful what you wish for!

Well stated YooperSigs. There would not be any true winners in such an action. Washington DC is corrupt and filled to overflowing with corrupt politicians on both sides. Any new representative that arrives in DC will soon be corrupted if not already that way.

I don’t claim to have an answer to our country’s vast issues. However armed insurrection does not seem to be a viable solution in my feeble little mind. YMMV.

I read posts from several sites that allow people to post comments and opinions. One site is Reddit and the sub that I read is simply called “Austin” and various topics come up from restaurants to politics. Austin is the closest major city to my home out in the Texas Hill Country. Reddit itself has a left-wing bias like Facebook. I realize that many posters are college age given the university. Most of the rest are under 50.

It’s disturbing the out right hatred expressed for “Merica” as the USA is contemptuously called. Hate for the founding documents, white people (posters are mostly white college educated) police, government, American symbols, icons, heroes, founding fathers, capitalism etc. and anybody who has a conflicting opinion.

I have seen similar opinions elsewhere. There’s no doubt in my mind that these folks would gladly support an armed conflict aimed at overthrowing our constitutional system, capitalism etc and hanging everyone who disagrees. Most do not appear to be Antifa member types. Many seem to be professionals or at least fairly literate.

A recent poll of people under 30 said that 60% would not take up arms to defend the US against a Ukrainian style invasion by Russia.

I don’t think they have the stomach for an armed revolution. They’ll simply vote Marxism in on the installment plan. It’s already started.

That’s when a conflict will arise IMHO. There will be a few in some red states, if any are left in a few years that will resist. I’m confident that many of the current under 30 crowd here in rural Texas would.

Surebhate to see it. I’m past seventy and will prob be long gone if it happens. Good.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by architect:
Did they ask a question about whether people trust media to perform fair and accurate polling?

It's not a media poll, it a poll from the University of Chicago, who I probably trust less than the media.
A bunch of liberal twats that whine and cry about everything.

Beat me to it. The University of Chicago? I'd sooner trust a poll in 'The Star' or the 'National Inquirer'.