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Originally posted by wcb6092:
THE FBI HAS LOWERED ITS ALREADY LOW STANDARDS

As all the good agents leave at the request of you guys, this is what you get.

All of the “bad” federal agents I have worked with were lazy, not corrupt. Corrupt federal agents exist. But, the idea that all of the good agents should quit results in an agency that rotten becoming more rotten. You’d think we’d have learned this lesson already from the unintended consequences of defund the police.

Despite the posturing, federal agencies aren’t going away.

^^^Yup, it's 'our' fault!

Those “good” agents damn sure didn’t push back against their bosses and the Stalinist bullshit they like to play on us regular peons. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re a part of the problem as far as I’m concerned.

If anybody needs a real history lesson on the FBI and how they are above board, Google any of the following,

Edward "Teddy" Deegan

H. Paul Rico

Joseph Salvati

Peter Limone

Joseph Barboza

James Bulger

John Morris

John Connoly

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
Those “good” agents damn sure didn’t push back against their bosses and the Stalinist bullshit they like to play on us regular peons. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re a part of the problem as far as I’m concerned.

Then why should you care what replaces them? If they are all evil, who cares if they are the Diet Coke of Evil?

I’ll say it again, the FBI is not going away. Anybody who thinks so has suspended reality.

Personally, I want to see the good ones stay.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Yup, it's 'our' fault!

I had no idea we were that influential. Pretty cool.
Next, we take down the sugar companies. Sugar is really bad and w/ a dozen posts, we'll crush them. Our plan is complete. Nothing can stop us! /Maniacal laugh/
You're either w/ us or against us, DR. Jones.

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Originally posted by dsiets:
You're either w/ us or against us, DR. Jones.

I do like sugar.

FBI Seizures From Safe Deposit Boxes Violated US Constitution: Federal Court

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...tution-federal-court

The FBI’s seizure of contents from safe deposit boxes during a raid on a Beverly Hills vault in 2021 violated the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court ruled on Jan. 23.

Agents raided U.S. Private Vaults, a business that allowed people to rent safe deposit boxes anonymously, based on the belief that criminals were using the service. The search warrant stated that agents could only open the boxes to inventory their contents and identify the owners for the return of their property.

However, agents brought drug-sniffing dogs and planned to set aside cash worth more than $5,000, with the intent to seize the money.

The FBI searched the contents of about 700 safe deposit boxes.

When people who rented boxes asked the FBI for their belongings back after the raid, the bureau refused, saying it was going to file for forfeiture or transfer ownership to the government. The renters of the boxes then sued.

A U.S. district judge previously ruled in favor of the government, finding the search was covered by what’s known as an inventory exception to the requirement for a warrant in the U.S. Constitution’s Fourth Amendment.

That exception, though, doesn’t apply to the raid on U.S. Private Vaults, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled.

The ruling hinged largely on how the exception requires searches to operate on standardized instructions and highlighted how the FBI, in the Beverly Hills raid, used supplemental, customized instructions.

“Once the government begins adding a set of ‘customized’ instructions to a ’standardized‘ inventory policy—particularly the type of custom instructions presented by this case—the entire search stops being conducted pursuant to a ’standardized’ policy,” U.S. Circuit Judge Milan D. Smith Jr. wrote in the ruling.

‘No Probable Cause’
During oral arguments, the appeals court panel compared the search to the “writs of assistance,” or unlimited searches executed by British authorities in pre-founding America.

“What you’ve got is a declaration or an understanding that from the beginning, the authorities intended to search all the boxes, all of them,” Judge Smith said at the time. “There was not probable cause available with respect to all of the boxes, but they did it anyway. Now, how do we distinguish that from what the colonists were upset about, and which led to the Fourth Amendment?”

In response, a government lawyer said the raid was “a unique situation” that involved “rampant illegal conduct.” U.S. Private Vaults has acknowledged in a plea agreement to recruiting criminals and conspiring to launder money.

“We note that it is particularly troubling that the government has failed to provide a limiting principle to how far a hypothetical ‘inventory search’ conducted pursuant to customized instructions can go,” Judge Smith said.

Many of the plaintiffs have already had their belongings returned by the FBI but pressed forward with the case for an opinion in their favor.

The ruling remanded the case back to U.S. District Judge Robert Klausner, who previously dismissed the case, for a ruling that directs the FBI to destroy records the bureau collected on the box renters who are members of the class-action case.

The opinion “draws a line in the sand, to ensure something like this never happens again,” Rob Johnson, a senior attorney with the Institute for Justice, which was representing the plaintiffs, said in a statement. “If this had come out the other way, the government could have exported this raid as a model across the country. Now, the government is on notice its actions violated the Fourth Amendment.”

“This is a good day for our country and the principle that the government’s power to search our property has limits,” added Jennifer Snitko, who was among the box renters.

The FBI didn’t respond to a request for comment.

‘Significant Privacy Interest’
A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles told news outlets that the office is “prepared to destroy records of the inventory search.”

The ruling also said the government went outside the authority outlined in the search warrant.

U.S. Circuit Judge Lawrence VanDyke concurred with the ruling in full, while U.S. Circuit Judge Carlos T. Bea, agreeing that the search violated the Constitution, found the second finding regarding the warrant scope to be unnecessary.

Judges Smith, Bea, and Klausner were appointed by President George W. Bush. Judge VanDyke was appointed by President Donald Trump.

Judge Smith also wrote a separate, concurring opinion that addressed the plaintiffs’ argument that the inventory exception, typically applied to automobiles, shouldn’t extend to stationary locations such as apartment buildings or safe deposit boxes.

“Plaintiffs do have a significant privacy interest in their safe deposit boxes, given that their conduct indicates they intended their items to be ‘preserved ... as private,’ and society generally views the privacy expectations of items in safe deposit boxes as reasonable,” Judge Smith wrote.

“Ultimately, given the greater privacy interests at stake and the implication of the rights of third parties,” he added, “I would hold that the inventory search doctrine does not extend to searches of box contents in a locked vault.”

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Originally posted by jljones:
Then why should you care what replaces them? If they are all evil, who cares if they are the Diet Coke of Evil?

I’ll say it again, the FBI is not going away. Anybody who thinks so has suspended reality.

Personally, I want to see the good ones stay.

I'd be more inclined to care about these guys if they were actually trying to correct the ship, but as we've seen over the past few years they do nothing but sit on the sidelines collecting their government paycheck while allowing folks like the J6 crowd to be ass fucked raw. Where are the whistleblowers? When was the last time a GOOD guy stood in front of a news camera accusing the FBI of activity that they know goes against our Constitution?

Where is the justice if an entire agency full of "good guys" puts their heads in the sand while doing nothing? Their indifference reeks of complicity. Apathy got a lot of folks sent to concentration camps before and during WW2. The FBI looks more like the Gestapo and KGB with every passing day. If the good guys were gonna fix it from within, they'd have done it already

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Originally posted by 4MUL8R:
I have two agent personal friends. If they are bad, they are very good at pretending to be good. I trust them, I admire them, and I know they are seeking what is best for our nation.

I have been in FBI training, for active shooters and similar. These agents are again, focused on what is best for a community, for eliminating risks, for fighting crime.

I can't believe all agents are bad. I've had too many good experiences with them.

So, how are you going to feel when your Friends come to seize your 1892 Winchester that once belonged to your grandfather because it's now considered an Assault Weapon and have a full Active Shooter team to back them up. In addition how are you going to feel when they destroy every door in your house and anything with a drawer in it looking for that "notorious" illegal powerful 44-40 ammunition for that rifle. BTW, if two years after that law was enacted it's overturned by the Supreme Court do you really think they will give you your rifle back?

We have a Constitution and every single elected Official, Military, and Law Enforcement person is required to swear an oath to protect that Constitution, including all of the Bill of Rights. IMO anytime the Supreme Court finds an infringement on the Constitution it should be mandatory that those who did in fact infringe on the Constitution should be prosecuted for failing to abide to that oath.

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Originally posted by Scooter123:
IMO anytime the Supreme Court finds an infringement on the Constitution it should be mandatory that those who did in fact infringe on the Constitution should be prosecuted for failing to abide to that oath.

I can dig it!

My son was interested in the FBI and interviewed with them and the experience left such a bad taste that he would never recommend that agency to anyone. It wasn’t his first choice but was a strong contender for 2nd. His first choice actually panned out about a year later.

The FBI burned up all it's goodwill a long time ago. We all grew up hearing stories about FBI agents catching bank robbers, and killers, and kidnappers, and all that, going after Bad Dudes and putting them away. They haven't been that in a looooong time. Now they're seen as dipshits that can only catch the guys they plant, as a tool of oppression for the ruling class, like we're a banana republic. They're quickly sinking to ATF levels of respect.

If there's any "good agents" still around, they ought to put in for transfers elsewhere, or retire.

Fumbling Bumbling Idiots. The largest crime ring in the country is the FBI. They can’t solve crimes so they invent them.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
Those “good” agents damn sure didn’t push back against their bosses and the Stalinist bullshit they like to play on us regular peons. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re a part of the problem as far as I’m concerned.

How do you know this? My brother is an agent, and he pushes back against the bullshit everyday, to the point that he sometimes wonders how he’s still employed. Are you saying you’d rather he quit so some DEI goose-stepping recruit can take his place?

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
pushes back against the bullshit everyday

This, in my opinion, is what the "good agents" ought to be doing. Every day.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
Are you saying you’d rather he quit so some DEI goose-stepping recruit can take his place?

This pretty much would be the result, if all the good agents bailed out.

This is one of those cases where we can't burn down the house (eliminate the agency) to get rid of the rats; instead we have to eliminate the rats one by one while simultaneously securing the house against future infestations.

I have a relative who is an FBI agent. He’s one of the good ones. He has expressed his shame at what the agency has become and has an exit plan. The trouble as he describes it is the corruption is at the top. Any push back gets punished in various ways from passive to overt. It always results in income impact and missed opportunity. So the very many agents who are good people who honor their oath, still need their career for their families’ sakes so like my relative, keep their heads down. It is truly a rock and a hard place.

The answer is really political. A righteous administration must clean house with a righteous congress. What are the chances of that happening? This is why and how third world cesspool nations exist. It starts slowly but corruption breeds more corruption like a bacterial infection. Until a remedy is introduced into the culture, the infection will continue and exponentially. The body can’t always heal itself.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:


How do you know this? My brother is an agent, and he pushes back against the bullshit everyday, to the point that he sometimes wonders how he’s still employed. Are you saying you’d rather he quit so some DEI goose-stepping recruit can take his place?

Just about every agent I know is like your brother. Hell, every supervisor I know from my time is just like your brother.

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Originally posted by vthoky:
This is one of those cases where we can't burn down the house (eliminate the agency) to get rid of the rats; instead we have to eliminate the rats one by one while simultaneously securing the house against future infestations.

I AGREE wholeheartedly, but ya gotta start with the head of the snake. JMHO...

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I have a relative who is an FBI agent. He’s one of the good ones. He has expressed his shame at what the agency has become and has an exit plan. The trouble as he describes it is the corruption is at the top. Any push back gets punished in various ways from passive to overt. It always results in income impact and missed opportunity. So the very many agents who are good people who honor their oath, still need their career for their families’ sakes so like my relative, keep their heads down. It is truly a rock and a hard place.

The answer is really political. A righteous administration must clean house with a righteous congress. What are the chances of that happening? This is why and how third world cesspool nations exist. It starts slowly but corruption breeds more corruption like a bacterial infection. Until a remedy is introduced into the culture, the infection will continue and exponentially. The body can’t always heal itself.

This is the crux of the whole thing right there. Most big employers are like that. rock the boat of corruption, and you're gone. And depending, possibly your career as well, permanently now and into the future. Gonzo. Just like that. In large organizations, corruption flows downhill and supported downhill or from the middle out, depending on who's ass is on the line. It's a tough situation, since the whistleblower ALWAYS looses. I've never heard of even one whistleblower story that ended well for the whistleblower. And the highest people in the corrupt chain of command face the least, or no consequences whatsoever. Don't take your shot, you're gone. Tell a superior about something bad going on in your company, you're gone. Tell your boss's superior about something your boss is doing wrong, you're gone. Refuse a direct order by your boss to do something slimy, immoral, fraudulent, or illegal, you're gone. It's pretty predictable. It's the nature of power I suppose.