35 yrs in the grocery biz, time management and productivity was the daily grind,

as management I worked 45 hrs on a rare week, more like 60 or more, and the expectation was productivity and making budget (sales as well as payroll)

got rid of many slackers and folks that did not get what productivity means,

cost me a lot , as in that much time at work each week, means you are that much time not doing other things that I wanted too,


flipped to a gun related retail and work for a company, as well as own my own,
still working crazy hours, but only 35-40 for the 'day job' and the rest for my business,
which I have built up enough to make this the last week at the day job,
self employed starting next week,

having said that, it seems that each bit of retail is slightly different , re productivity and expectations, and finding someone nowadays is difficult,

and honestly, this company I am leaving , could write the book on Quiet Quitting, they have mastered the crappy management system that does not promote any loyalty or involvement,

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I just hope these quiet quitters stay out of healthcare where their behavior could directly impact the lives of others.

I had dinner with a buddy in the medical field last night. He says a good part of his day is explaining to the nurses that the patient is the most important thing, not their phone. He is constantly telling the charge nurses to put away their phones.

That could be easily solved in five minutes.

Here is the policy: no phones while on duty
Here is a phone locker for your phone
You may check your phone on a break or while not performing job duties

Simple

If it were so simple, why are we still allowing kids to have phones while in school? Try to take them away and you'd think we were administering capital punishment.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. But I think you're over-simplifying it. The only employer I know that is successful with that is government (or contractors), and only then in a secure environment, and not always then.

I always get my work done and it is extremely accurate. about 7 years ago I started doing what I do now, what took me forty hours a week I shaved down to about two weeks. I fixed a lot of problems. I told my VP years ago that I now had extra time and go ahead and give me more to do, never happened. I actually work about two weeks a month, the other two weeks I socialize. If I ask about ten times for more work and you don't do anything about it, not my problem anymore.

Around my parts it's called "work avoidance" and it takes a lot less time to resolve now compared to the olden times with less computing power.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
He says a good part of his day is explaining to the nurses that the patient is the most important thing, not their phone.
He is constantly telling the charge nurses to put away their phones.

That could be easily solved in five minutes.

Here is the policy: no phones while on duty
Here is a phone locker for your phone
You may check your phone on a break or while not performing job duties

Simple

If it were so simple, why are we still allowing kids to have phones while in school?

If you allow the subordinates to make the policy then you are putting them in charge.

It is simple.

Management makes the policy and those who work there need to follow it.
School administrators make the policy and student need to follow it.

IF you allow it to happen (unproductivity) then you are getting what you deserve.

My hardest employer was my father. After that every job was easy. Plus my Dad did not pay and the work was on the weekend. I have always done my best. When my efforts were not appreciated I changed jobs and finally realized self employment was my best option. Quiet quitters will be lucky to be employees. They will never be employers.

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I worked with few guys who did the barest minimum to get by. They were called as being "retired on duty". While they skated, everyone else had to take up the work they avoided.

Yep. And when the shit hit the fan who got the blame???? It sure as hell isn’t them.

And, eventually, management will learn they can’t afford cheap help/special snowflakes will learn doing your job well matters, because it’s what you do.

I have no issues with people having/protecting their personal life.

I have some employees who want extra work, when it comes up, and others who don’t go over 40 - and we keep an eye on the ones who want extra, to ensure they don’t burn out.

I’m sure there’s BS to put up with, but minimizing it is my job, and as we’re growing, we are outsourcing more of the silly stuff.

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Ha! A colleague and I got called “the 2 Bobs” at a large cable co. If only we could do redundancies!

Regardless, no one wanted to step into that room. Apparently there had been history of people showing up with folders to a couple people in a glass room, just like we were sitting. Didn’t go very well … had to set every interview at ease lol

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If it were so simple, why are we still allowing kids to have phones while in school? Try to take them away and you'd think we were administering capital punishment.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. But I think you're over-simplifying it. The only employer I know that is successful with that is government (or contractors), and only then in a secure environment, and not always then.

The school my daughter graduated from last year has a glass bottle with a lid with black vertical construction paper stripes on it on the counter in the office. It is labeled “phone jail.” Kids caught with their phones out on campus lost them to the “phone jail.” In order to pick the phone up, a parent had to come in. Not a lot of repeat offenders.

I think it is like most things. You have to make your expectations clear and you have to be consistent. Of course if the job market is tight for nurses and they don’t like your policies, you may have a tough time with turnover if your policies are viewed as unreasonable.

That could be easily solved in five minutes.

Here is the policy: no phones while on duty
Here is a phone locker for your phone
You may check your phone on a break or while not performing job duties

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^^^ This. My employer banned phones in the plant and I don't blame them. when I would get back
in my truck half the plant workers would have phones glued to their hands. Get in a forklift, go
to a secluded part of the plant and play with their phone for 45 minutes.
They would make exceptions, wife near due date or father in hospice.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I just hope these quiet quitters stay out of healthcare where their behavior could directly impact the lives of others.

I had dinner with a buddy in the medical field last night. He says a good part of his day is explaining to the nurses that the patient is the most important thing, not their phone. He is constantly telling the charge nurses to put away their phones.

That could be easily solved in five minutes.

Here is the policy: no phones while on duty
Here is a phone locker for your phone
You may check your phone on a break or while not performing job duties

Simple

I work a trade. The apprentices I have now days spend every lax moment on their phone rather than looking over my shoulder or reading along in the manuals and wiring diagrams. They are supposed to be learning not watching tictoc or whatever. I’m not a great teacher but monkey see, monkey do should be adequate. A grown man should know when it’s time to step up and contribute rather than stare at his phone.
If it was my choice, apprentice’s phones would be left in the truck, but we aren’t children.

The issue with cell phones reminds me of a business owner looking for employees. A friend of mine has a friend that is a high end home custom cabinet builder. He’s nearing retirement and has nobody to pass the business to. He is trying to find a young man willing to start at $11 an hour who he will train and sell the business to. So far he’s had to fire everyone - none want to work and learn. If I were younger I’d kill for that opportunity, where else can you get trained in a craft and have an established business handed to you? Yet the young men today can’t handle the minimal requirements.

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The issue with cell phones reminds me of a business owner looking for employees. A friend of mine has a friend that is a high end home custom cabinet builder. He’s nearing retirement and has nobody to pass the business to. He is trying to find a young man willing to start at $11 an hour who he will train and sell the business to. So far he’s had to fire everyone - none want to work and learn. If I were younger I’d kill for that opportunity, where else can you get trained in a craft and have an established business handed to you? Yet the young men today can’t handle the minimal requirements.

Well he’s trying to pay too low and it’s never going to happen.

Around here there’s a convenience store chain called Sheetz that is paying people $15-18 an hour now.

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Around here there’s a convenience store chain called Sheetz that is paying people $15-18 an hour now.

I have been to Sheetz’s distribution center in Claysburg. We were there to see how HighJump WMS operates and the advantages of HighJump. You want to talk about a company that takes really good care of their employees? These guys set the bar. They have quite the break room for their employees. It is basically a Sheetz deli and there are employees there to make food for the employees, at little to no cost to the employee. A gym for their employees to keep in shape at no cost to the employee. The list goes on and on. They really do a lot of great things for their employees. They have long term employees. The employees I met were not goldbrickers. They came to work and gave an honest days work. They were compensated fairly, or a little better than fair.

They have a very successful, very large convenience store chain. They understand that they have to pay people well in order to retain employees.

I was very impressed with their DC and how it operates. Here’s a couple pics of their break room.




The back corner that is all glassed off, with a TV, that’s the smoking section. They wanted their employees who smoke to have a comfortable and enjoyable area to sit and rest at break time.



Doesn’t matter what warehouse you’re in, this will always be an ongoing battle…

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The issue with cell phones reminds me of a business owner looking for employees. A friend of mine has a friend that is a high end home custom cabinet builder. He’s nearing retirement and has nobody to pass the business to. He is trying to find a young man willing to start at $11 an hour who he will train and sell the business to. So far he’s had to fire everyone - none want to work and learn. If I were younger I’d kill for that opportunity, where else can you get trained in a craft and have an established business handed to you? Yet the young men today can’t handle the minimal requirements.

Well he’s trying to pay too low and it’s never going to happen.

Around here there’s a convenience store chain called Sheetz that is paying people $15-18 an hour now.

And what craft will they learn at a convenience store? Will that store sell them the business after they train them? It's apples and oranges compared to a run of the mill job. I do not know of anywhere that will train someone to build custom cabinets and then turn around and sell an established business to them. His low pay is to see if they have the desire to learn, that is not all they will make. He uses that to weed people out and so far it is working. If people are not smart enough to realize the once in a lifetime opportunity he is offering then they probably are not smart enough to run the business.

My point is you aren’t going to get someone quality for $11 an hour and expect them to live off of that while they learn the ropes of a business, it’s just not going to happen.