whole lot of WTF in that video. Florida does it again.

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Lots going on, but I did anticipate ARguy circling back around the SUV...not like he could run away at that point.

Question for professional LE and LE trainers. I have seen this before and during this video it appears to happen again. The mag drop randomly occurring not at slide lock or a tactical reload just dropping. My gut feeling would be that it would be more common to shoot to slide lock and not recognize it rather than hitting the mag release inadvertently. Is this common? What are the usual bad habits/mechanics that cause this?

My opinion, and opinion it is, is that those two deputies should immediately pray to the God of their choosing and be thankful. That could easily have gone the completely other way. Thankfully it did not.

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Originally posted by Cabellocabeza:
the bad guy with the AK47 type pistol.

Not that it really matters, but I do not believe it was an AK type pistol.
With the buffer tube, straighter magazine, and other features it appears to be an AR variant.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
What are the usual bad habits/mechanics that cause this?

My opinion, and which hardly anyone will agree with, is the bad design and location of the typical magazine catch on autoloading pistols. If we look closely at the deputy’s hand when he drops the magazine inadvertently, he has his firing hand thumb angled down onto the grip, and directly over where the magazine catch is usually located. I suspect that that positioning and the extreme force he was exerting on the grip at the time caused him to depress the catch and drop the magazine.

I prefer the mag catch to be located on the right side of the gun so I depress it with my index finger. If I’m firing, the finger can’t be pressing the catch at the same time.

As I say, I don’t expect many people to agree with me, but that’s my opinion of the matter.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Question for professional LE and LE trainers. I have seen this before and during this video it appears to happen again. The mag drop randomly occurring not at slide lock or a tactical reload just dropping. My gut feeling would be that it would be more common to shoot to slide lock and not recognize it rather than hitting the mag release inadvertently. Is this common? What are the usual bad habits/mechanics that cause this?

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My opinion: when the shooting actually begins, the cops get a full on dump of adrenaline and they gorilla grip the pistol inadvertently engaging the mag release.

You can’t really train for that (adrenaline dump) but the more training time you have the better you react when it really happens. Remaining calm when it hits the fan is not something they can train you for. But having trained for it many times helps reduce the utter bewilderment when rounds start popping off.

During one of my OIS, two of us who routinely went to the range on our time off acted properly and didn’t return fire because we didn’t have a clear background. We just had to stand there and take rounds. Another guy who was obviously freaking out and had an adrenaline dump let one round off and struck a house and another struck a car all while bystanders were running like roaches with the light turned on all around us . I have no idea how he didn’t hit any citizens.

Out of the 120 officers on my department, four or five of us went to the range on our time off to train. That means all the rest of the cops only shot when required (once a year). Think about that. And apply it to most other departments nationwide. Most cops are not gun people, they just get by on qual day…and the state mandates 70% for a Q.

Fucking dirtbag did it with a baby in the backseat. How the hell is he allowed to be in public with all those felonies?

The judges and prosecutors need to be the ones in prison for letting that animal prey on society.

Who ever released him needs to do time. Irresponsible idiots who release career criminals back into society need to be made into an example. I’m not going to go so far as to say execute a few of them but they should do a decade behind bars.

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Wilder was out on bond for two felony drug charges and two active felony warrants when the shooting happened.

The system is broken and the system is being abused by those who consider punishing people for the crimes they commit, to be "systemic racism"

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Wilder was out on bond for two felony drug charges and two active felony warrants when the shooting happened.

The system is broken and the system is being abused by those who consider punishing people for the crimes they commit, to be "systemic racism"

At least his recidivism was dealt with in a suitably appropriate fashion.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
Fucking dirtbag did it with a baby in the backseat. How the hell is he allowed to be in public with all those felonies?

The judges and prosecutors need to be the ones in prison for letting that animal prey on society.

THIS IS ALL DAY EVERYDAY in many many municipalities across the country.
I suggest looking up your court sentencing records and see where you Judges stand.

Here is the breakdown of my local court and how they sentenced felony cases this year.

Judge #1:
109 Cases Sentenced - 43% Probation

Judge #2:
111 Cases Sentenced - 69% Probation

Judge #3:
125 Cases Sentenced - 70% Probation

Judge #4:
129 Cases Sentenced - 42% Probation

Judge #5:
111 Cases Sentenced - 58% Probation

To date there have been 269 Probation Revocation Hearings. These are completely separate charges from those listed above.
54% were given probation for violating their FELONY probation!!!!!!
54%!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again this only includes Felonies.

Misdemeanors are a different court and I don’t have those numbers at the moment.

To add even more to it these cases DO NOT include felony charges that were plead down to a misdemeanor therefore being sentenced in the lower court not the court I have cited.

So that means there are hundreds more admitted felons though not convicted felons out and about.

Would you expect anything else from a government that mandates vaccines while exempting themselves?

I know the sheriff said the other two adults were not involved but there is no way they did not know this guy, his background, and the fact that he was armed. They are accomplices in my book.

In a previous life I was a probation/parole officer. (I was young and dumb...). In the mid 80's the judicial system began to go downhill in a big way. Prisons were overcrowded, expensive to build, and the liberals began to assume power with their coddle criminals philosophies. A sure recipe for what we are seeing today. I had guys/gals who would ignore their release conditions and commit new crimes and the court would revoke six months and put them back on probation. The parole board simply had the parolee released and continued on supervision. Probation/parole officers were punished more than the probationer. Over time violent criminals were treated the same way. One cold and dark night (literally) I had to explain to two young and budding criminals why I was not the guy they should try and rob. I left six months later and never looked back. As it turned out, it was one of those life changing decisions for the best.

In closing, that guy should have been under the prison. He should have never been on the street. I am grateful neither officer was killed.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
And yet, the guy who stole Pelosi's lectern or the guy with his feet up on Pelosi's desk ...

Pardon me? What's this stuff doing in here?

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Would you expect anything else from a government that mandates vaccines while exempting themselves?

Excuse me?

You guys are new here, right?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

...is the bad design and location of the typical magazine catch on autoloading pistols.

I would argue the bad design on the plastic guns and the classic SIG P- lineup is with the slide lock. Both in location and how lightly sprung they are for where they are. It forces people to keep their thumb away from it and down where it gets them into trouble.

Man, I hate to think what would have happened, if the scum's AR pistol hadn't jammed. Wow!!

Watching the video in .25 speed, it looks like after the younger officer fired 15 rounds to slide lock, he picked up the magazine that had earlier been ejected and loaded that magazine into his gun. Can't be 100% sure.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Pardon me? What's this stuff doing in here?

Removed. My bad.

Congrats on taking out the trash.

The mag release is not that sensitive and is adjacent to the trigger guard - the Deputy just panicked, which is not surprising under that type of stress.

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Originally posted by Donothing:
I know the sheriff said the other two adults were not involved but there is no way they did not know this guy, his background, and the fact that he was armed. They are accomplices in my book.

^^Bingo. Yeah, they had no idea the dreadlock savage in the back seat of that mid-sized car wasn't sitting in the back with an AR pistol! Dude wasn't sporting a .380 in his pocket! Lock'em all up. Well except for the moron with 20 holes in him.