ATLANTA — A small Georgia town will soon become a national hub for electric vehicle manufacturing.

Rivian and Georgia leaders officially announced Thursday that the company will build a plant in Morgan County.

The plant is expected to bring thousands of jobs to the state and cost around $5 billion.

The EV world has come a long way in a short period of time, and Georgia is proving to be right in the middle of it.

Rivian, based in Irvine, California, is a startup manufacturer of electric trucks and commercial delivery vans, challenging both established automakers like Ford and General Motors and electric vehicle leader Tesla.

“Just tremendous opportunities for great paying jobs with an innovative company and that’s what we’ve seen with other great companies that we have in the mega site. And it’s much going to be like KIA has transformed West Point, and like the SK innovations really transforming Commerce, Georgia and Jackson County,” Kemp said.

Rivian is the largest industrial announcement in Georgia history, surpassing the 4,400-worker Kia complex that opened in West Point in 2009. Kia received more than $450 million in incentives for its plant.

“One of the reasons they chose Georgia is that we can get them to the market fast. We’ve got a great site. You know, we’re already preparing to start working on that site,” Kemp said.

Construction on the facility is expected to begin in summer 2022, and the start of production is slated for 2024.

The entire project will support the expansion of the U.S. electric vehicle industry and will serve to decarbonize the transportation and energy sectors.

“My vision is that Georgia should lead the nation in renewable energy, and today’s announcement is a huge step forward,” Sen. Jon Ossoff said. “I thank our state’s leaders for working collaboratively to attract this investment and look forward to hosting Rivian and the thousands of jobs that will be created to produce Georgia-made electric vehicles.”

The plant could grow to as many as 8,000 workers, Rivian said, which would make it among the largest auto assembly complexes in the United States, rivaled by behemoths such as the BMW complex in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and Ford Motor Co.’s plant in Louisville, Kentucky.

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Pretty Cool!!

Pretty impressive for a company that hasn’t built or sold anything for the public yet.

They are building and delivering vehicles, and have been since late Q3 2021.

I read that these dudes have raised 12 Billion already, I hope their truck isn't a turd

The Lordstown assholes can't seem to do anything right, a plant was basically handed to them

EV's are still developing technology. There are issues remaining.

You can't drive cross country in 3 days yet. While that is a challenge for some, the time and distance equation isn't working to match gas powered. Take a trip to the Gulf, from here it's 10 hours road time, add a stop for lunch, etc and my wife and I can do it 14 hours - no interstates. It's about 675 miles. An EV will coast to a stop around 400 miles and require an average 8 hour recharge. That forces the trip to take 2 days, an overnight stay and motel charge, along with two more meals on the road.

IF there is an EV recharging station, which isn't free. We can get there on less than a tank of gas, and use the energy directly, not indirect with additional transmission losses converting it to electrial potential then back to kinetic force. Gas creates the kinetic force directly.

When you add another day transit you are subtracting a day at the destination. Two days lost not being on the beach. Trying for a weekend it means you leave Thursday and return Tuesday burning more vacation time with the complications of work, too.

Another issue is the battery pack, most seem to be good for less than 100,000 miles. Some are reputedly toast at 45,000 miles and hybrids with those packs are notorious for being on the market used when that happens as the owners don't want to pay $2500 and up to have it replaced. It's the cost of an engine rebuild. A gas motor will go 250,000 these days, you buy an EV and that's 5 battery packs with labor or $12,500 for an additional expense during your ownership.

The battery recharging load on our present electric grid will increase demand significantly just when coal and gas are being cut back, leaving solar and wind to take up the slack, which it cannot and that has already been proven last winter in Texas. It was a major disaster. We don't need to cut back, we will need to expand, right down to installing a recharge station at home. That will increase our utility bill, too, much less draw electrical demand we don't have and causing system outages. Again, that is already happening. I's already known that the blades on windmills are non recyclable and they are all going to a landfill in the Dakotas to be buried.

There is also the environmental cost of the battery pack. The only plant making them in North America at one time was in Canada - and as you approached it, within a five mile radius all the vegetation is dead. The environment around the plant is WORSE than a nuclear plant and its not discussed in the news. No protests nada. Now, here's the hook - China is positioning itself to make those power packs by taking over the metal resources in Afghanistan, producing the batteries in China and exporting them for EV's. The political fallout is that Afghanistan will be another country, like Iran, controlled by China - who retains direct supervision of the utilities which they install. It's China infrastructure under their control, not the country's.

Moving to EV's will force limits on our transportation and travel, destroy the entire infrastructure of our petroleum based economics, putting those workers out of a job. No, coding is not an option and doesn't pay as well as being a certified welder. Not even.

None of this is "good." It would be a move to a less efficient, less mobile and more polluting method of transport, and more dependant economy with more control by a foreign country. Has the utility in CA shut down transmission with the "excuse" that they cause fires and can't do that anymore? 500,000 people say it's now frequent. Rolling blackouts last winter were experienced in states that never had them before. Add millions of EV's recharging every night and calculate the load. You have to do the math yourself because there isn't any public discussion of the megawatts of energy we will need to generate to recharge these vehicles. And yet we already have paid for all the gasoline infrastructure which remains more efficient, and already has significant reductions in pollution. In fact, cars are NOT the primary source, it's power plants and factories and the airline industry. If people would keep their vehicles running and use them for 20 years, we'd cut 50% of the resource consumption right off the top. But no, that discussion is also absent. Not flying would also be a major help, but that needs to exist for those who want to jet off for another environmental council.

EV's are being jammed down our throat and it's not good.

Good for Georgia! The more manufacturing happening in free states the better.

My wife really likes her made in Georgia Telluride.

@Tirod: Your post is not breaking any new ground around here about EVs and probably belongs in a different thread or new one of your own creation.

quote:

Originally posted by Tirod:
EV's are still developing technology. There are issues remaining.

You can't drive cross country in 3 days yet. While that is a challenge for some, the time and distance equation isn't working to match gas powered. Take a trip to the Gulf, from here it's 10 hours road time, add a stop for lunch, etc and my wife and I can do it 14 hours - no interstates. It's about 675 miles. An EV will coast to a stop around 400 miles and require an average 8 hour recharge. That forces the trip to take 2 days, an overnight stay and motel charge, along with two more meals on the road.

IF there is an EV recharging station, which isn't free. We can get there on less than a tank of gas, and use the energy directly, not indirect with additional transmission losses converting it to electrial potential then back to kinetic force. Gas creates the kinetic force directly.

When you add another day transit you are subtracting a day at the destination. Two days lost not being on the beach. Trying for a weekend it means you leave Thursday and return Tuesday burning more vacation time with the complications of work, too.

Another issue is the battery pack, most seem to be good for less than 100,000 miles. Some are reputedly toast at 45,000 miles and hybrids with those packs are notorious for being on the market used when that happens as the owners don't want to pay $2500 and up to have it replaced. It's the cost of an engine rebuild. A gas motor will go 250,000 these days, you buy an EV and that's 5 battery packs with labor or $12,500 for an additional expense during your ownership.

The battery recharging load on our present electric grid will increase demand significantly just when coal and gas are being cut back, leaving solar and wind to take up the slack, which it cannot and that has already been proven last winter in Texas. It was a major disaster. We don't need to cut back, we will need to expand, right down to installing a recharge station at home. That will increase our utility bill, too, much less draw electrical demand we don't have and causing system outages. Again, that is already happening. I's already known that the blades on windmills are non recyclable and they are all going to a landfill in the Dakotas to be buried.

There is also the environmental cost of the battery pack. The only plant making them in North America at one time was in Canada - and as you approached it, within a five mile radius all the vegetation is dead. The environment around the plant is WORSE than a nuclear plant and its not discussed in the news. No protests nada. Now, here's the hook - China is positioning itself to make those power packs by taking over the metal resources in Afghanistan, producing the batteries in China and exporting them for EV's. The political fallout is that Afghanistan will be another country, like Iran, controlled by China - who retains direct supervision of the utilities which they install. It's China infrastructure under their control, not the country's.

Moving to EV's will force limits on our transportation and travel, destroy the entire infrastructure of our petroleum based economics, putting those workers out of a job. No, coding is not an option and doesn't pay as well as being a certified welder. Not even.

None of this is "good." It would be a move to a less efficient, less mobile and more polluting method of transport, and more dependant economy with more control by a foreign country. Has the utility in CA shut down transmission with the "excuse" that they cause fires and can't do that anymore? 500,000 people say it's now frequent. Rolling blackouts last winter were experienced in states that never had them before. Add millions of EV's recharging every night and calculate the load. You have to do the math yourself because there isn't any public discussion of the megawatts of energy we will need to generate to recharge these vehicles. And yet we already have paid for all the gasoline infrastructure which remains more efficient, and already has significant reductions in pollution. In fact, cars are NOT the primary source, it's power plants and factories and the airline industry. If people would keep their vehicles running and use them for 20 years, we'd cut 50% of the resource consumption right off the top. But no, that discussion is also absent. Not flying would also be a major help, but that needs to exist for those who want to jet off for another environmental council.

EV's are being jammed down our throat and it's not good.

Most of that stuff is solvable or no issue for a high percentage of people. The biggest resistance is that people don’t want to be forced to do anything, myself included. EV’s are not going to be viable for every single household immediately but most households have at least two vehicles and an EV will easily cover the needs for one of those and as battery tech gets better and better the percentage of viability will increase. Also once people have actually experienced one and realize no gas stops in day to day driving, no fluids, no engine problems, no transmission problems, no brake repairs, etc. they will begin to see the obvious appeals start to outweigh the potential problems.

The biggest real world concerns are acquiring a constant flow of precious metals used in the batteries. Most of the places that have a lot of them hate us and unless the elements become much more highly recoverable and reusable there have been studies that show we will not have enough way before we would run out of oil.

Wind and solar isn’t an answer to charging batteries either.

The American Wind Energy Association says it takes about 230 tons of steel, more than a thousand tons of concrete and 45 tons of nonrecyclable plastic blades to make a single wind turbine; all with a life-cycle of around 20 years”.

Solar panels are even less efficient.

There is a Rivian plant in Normal, Illinois. They seem happy about it. Will help the economy.

quote:

Originally posted by Tirod:
EV's are still developing technology. There are issues remaining.

You can't drive cross country in 3 days yet. While that is a challenge for some, the time and distance equation isn't working to match gas powered. Take a trip to the Gulf, from here it's 10 hours road time, add a stop for lunch, etc and my wife and I can do it 14 hours - no interstates. It's about 675 miles. An EV will coast to a stop around 400 miles and require an average 8 hour recharge. That forces the trip to take 2 days, an overnight stay and motel charge, along with two more meals on the road.

IF there is an EV recharging station, which isn't free. We can get there on less than a tank of gas, and use the energy directly, not indirect with additional transmission losses converting it to electrial potential then back to kinetic force. Gas creates the kinetic force directly.

When you add another day transit you are subtracting a day at the destination. Two days lost not being on the beach. Trying for a weekend it means you leave Thursday and return Tuesday burning more vacation time with the complications of work, too.

....

A good portion of you post is outdated. I'm no proponent of EVs unless it's for the sake of speed, but at least Google it before you post.

A Tesla supercharger will provide more distance in the time it takes to eat lunch than my car gets on a full tank of gas.

Back to the actual discussion here. Good for you, and good for GA. Hope it helps the economy, that's awesome.

This is a major victory for the Georgia republic.

Should keep the democraps at bay during the upcoming election cycle.

Good for the Georgia folks who get those good paying jobs and benefits. Like others have said I'm no EV person and I don't care if anyone else is as long as I continue to have my choice.

Cirrus aircraft manufacturing came to our nearby town of about 90K people some years back. Was and still continues to be a good job provider. Problem is the Chi-Coms bought them not long after they got established. Now they can sit in their offices and watch our 148th fighter squadrons comings and goings 24/7.

How much does it cost to charge a vehicle at one of these public charging stations?

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Originally posted by Warhorse:
How much does it cost to charge a vehicle at one of these public charging stations?

it is variable depending on location, type 2 or 3, network etc. no fixed price

I still have some free super charging left but Testifi logged it from the other day with its cost

I added 79kWh the cost would have been $9.10 at a supercharger

This is really the main part about EV’s that should be the biggest concern in regards to viability.

Just let some of these numbers sink in.


* Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society.

* A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones.

* Replacing hydrocarbons with "green" machines under current plans—never mind aspirations for far greater expansion—will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car "consumes" five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile.

* Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build "green" machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil.

* By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panels—much of it nonrecyclable—will constitute double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage.



Or a longer version


The world needs to find ways to reduce carbon gas emissions below today’s levels. My intent is not to disagree with the Green Movement but rather to provide some food for thought and deal with the question of whether the movement’s goals are within the art of the possible.

The International Energy Agency (IEA), regarded as the most important source for energy information, recently released a 287-page report titled “The Role of Critical Minerals in Clean Energy Transitions.” Here are some findings:

Green Movement demands for minerals will explode by an estimated 4,200 percent (lithium), 2,500 percent (graphite), 1,900 percent (nickel) and 700 percent (“rare-Earth metals”).
These new mineral requirements translate into a massively enlarged mining industry, greater transportation, more/new refinement facilities and infrastructure that does not exist, and there are currently no plans to build them. This will cost at least hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. On average it takes over 16 years to move a mining operation from discovery to production.

Electric vehicles (EV) currently account for about 30 percent of U.S. carbon emissions. One electric car battery weighs about 1,000 pounds with an average life of 7-10 years. To produce one battery requires processing about 250 tons of raw materials such as cadmium, cobalt, lead, lithium and nickel. To put a battery in every vehicle in the world — the Green Movement goal — would take 250 billion tons of Earth materials every 7-10 years.
Vehicles in the U.S. travel about 3 trillion miles per year, 10,344 miles per vehicle. The average EV can travel 200-300 miles per charge requiring about 40 recharges per year. Forty charges per year for 290 million U.S. vehicles equals 11.6 billion charging actions and probably 30-40 billion for the world. This represents an entirely new requirement for electricity. Where will it come from? The sun and the wind, says the Green Movement.
The American Wind Energy Association says it takes about 230 tons of steel, more than a thousand tons of concrete and 45 tons of nonrecyclable plastic blades to make a single wind turbine; all with a life-cycle of around 20 years.

To produce half the world’s electricity from wind, we will need about 3 million more turbines. Three million turbines at 230 tons of steel each equals about 690 million tons of steel from about 1 billion tons of iron ore. Then, in about 20 years another billion tons of iron ore. At what point do we exhaust the Earth’s supply of mineable iron ore?

As for solar, solar panels require rare-Earth materials which are not currently mined in the U.S. Demand for these elements is expected to rise 250-1000 percent by 2050. Additionally, solar requires even more cement and steel than wind turbines to produce the same amount of electricity.

Also consider that China controls the majority of existing sources of copper (45 percent,) nickel (40 percent,) cobalt (60 percent,) lithium (55 percent) and rare earth metals (80 percent.) Today, the U.S. is not even a player. We are currently 100 percent dependent on imports for 17 key minerals. For another 29, over half of our needs are imported.

Final thoughts, a wake-up call:

Supply and demand: Every day the requirement for electricity goes up and the supply of minerals goes down. Last year, about 400,000 natural gas workers produced about 35 percent of U.S. electric power. The same size labor force, 400,000, accounted for solar’s miniscule 0.9 percent share. At some point the cost of electricity will approach prohibitive numbers. Will the cost of an EV battery be out of reach for most of the world’s population?

Mining, transporting and refining billions of tons of earth materials will create a new and massive carbon footprint which could conceivably be greater than that saved by electric vehicles.

The Green Movement is based on a false premise; that is, wind and solar are “renewable.” Technically yes, but in order to harness wind and sun it will be necessary to process billions of tons of minerals, not an ounce of which is “renewable.”
The new demand for minerals will require huge quantities of water and about half the known lithium and copper sources are in water-shortage areas.


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This thread was about a win for the state of GA. Not about the viability of EV cars.

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