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Was watching The Patient (Steve Carrell) with the missus. Hating every second of it, and the guy was chained with a hefty padlock.

I remember i had a door with a not to impressive padlock and no key. Then the janitor suggested i use a hammer. Padlock met hammer and it didn’t do well. Made me wonder….

Since in my city tied bikes have a tendency to vanish i wonder what’s the use of a padlock.

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There are better quality locks.
Take a look at PacLock

also the LockPickingLawyer on YoutTube for product tests. He can be brutal on sub-standard products.




 
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Keeps the unprepared and some rookies from stealing stuff.

If they are determined, the lock won't slow 'em down much.




 
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Padlock will keep an honest person honest, that's it.

Imagine walking past a home. Imagine that on the doorstep, there is a small amount of money just sitting there. An honest person walking by would be tempted, just this once, to take the money and run.

Now, imagine the money is in a sealed envelope, or perhaps in a wrapped box, unseen to the passerby. An honest person would walk by, not interested in taking something that is not theirs.

This is what a padlock does. It merely prevents honest people from being tempted by an opportunity.

Both an envelope and a padlock is easily defeated by a thief.
 
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As they say, "locks are only there to keep honest people, honest".


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There are better quality locks.
Take a look at PacLock

also the LockPickingLawyer on YoutTube for product tests. He can be brutal on sub-standard products.


I'll admit I've only seen a few videos, but he's trying to "pick" most locks right?

I don't think a padlock would slow anyone down with appropriately sized bolt cutters, two large wrenches, or an angle grinder.
 
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There are better quality locks.
Take a look at PacLock

also the LockPickingLawyer on YoutTube for product tests. He can be brutal on sub-standard products.


As one who fell victim to a burglar who knew how to pick locks, I have to wonder how many burglars the lockpickinglawyer has trained.

I'd prefer he stop, but it is what it is.


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In the Navy we would two open-ended wrenches to defeat locks which keys were lost. Wink







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In the Navy we would two open-ended wrenches to defeat locks which keys were lost. Wink


In the Marines, we would use the wrenches to defeat the locks on things we needed Big Grin
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There are better quality locks.
Take a look at PacLock

also the LockPickingLawyer on YoutTube for product tests. He can be brutal on sub-standard products.


I'll admit I've only seen a few videos, but he's trying to "pick" most locks right?

I don't think a padlock would slow anyone down with appropriately sized bolt cutters, two large wrenches, or an angle grinder.



He demonstrates many weaknesses. Bumping, slapping, prying, ...

I agree that bolt cutters, wrenches, and grinders will do the job. But at least a person using those looks like a thief.

If you can stick a pen cap into a lock to open it thats something the owner should know.




 
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Go to youtube and watch the lock picking lawyer. Y

Nothing is safe with the right person.


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One of the classes I used to teach at the fire academy I worked at was forcible entry.
When it came to pad locks I would tell my students to look at what the pad lock was attached to, what kind of hasp.
In most cases you could have an expensive lock on a $2.00 hasp. I would tell them to attack the hasp before attacking the lock.
All it took was the pick end of a Halligan bar and a flat head ax. Place the pick next to the lock shackle and hit the opposite side with the flat head ax,locked door open.

For the puck style locks we used a three foot pipe wrench and twisted them off.




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I would guess that a battery-powered angle grinder and a $2 cut-off wheel might make even the most studly padlock superfluous.
 
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When I was a cop I went to a class given by the hose draggers about forced entry. I learned many different ways to break locks. My dad taught me that a 24” pipe wrench works too.

I kept a pair of bolt cutters (36”), a two pound hammer and a chisel, a slim Jim and a short Halligan bar in my trunk of the police car.

I learned to pick locks a decade ago and couldn’t pick one now as I never did it, it’s easier to force them.

The best locks I ever encountered were MEDECO locks in the service, we used them for the magazines and armories. Short of a grinder and some water you weren’t getting into them. We tried to cut a lock on an outside magazine that had two locks and it was quicker to grind off the welds of the hasp then try and cut thru the lock.

Locks just keep out decent people.



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I dunno. Long ago I used this ABUS padlock to protect my pretty expensive bicycle. It was never stolen.

https://a.co/d/90b6UIm



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Some locks are far worse than others. Some of the Master lock padlocks that we have tons of at work, all the same series, just the act of inserting a pick is enough to open them. Everyone is amazed at how great I am at picking the locks. Roll Eyes I'll put the tools in their hands, say turn that just a little... now put the pick in the keyway... and pop it's open. And they're shocked. I say "yeah, so don't use them on anything important."
 
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I'd prefer he stop, but it is what it is.


Meh. When I was still in high school (before the interwebz was too much more than AOL), I took a mail order locksmithing course from Foley-Belsaw (remember them?).

Through the magic of the post office, over a few short months, I stopped seeing most doors as barriers.

It doesn't take a lot to learn how it all works.

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or an angle grinder.

Like a hot knife through butter. The advent of battery powered tools that are close if not on par to their corded equivalents has made thievery much easier.

I’m thankful for the YouTube videos as they show real world vulnerabilities of systems that give people a false sense of security. Take these two trailer locks for example:





Which one will slow a thief down better?

The best deadbolt in the world doesn’t do much if the door has a 6’x3’ glass panel.
 
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Imagine walking past a home. Imagine that on the doorstep, there is a small amount of money just sitting there. An honest person walking by would be tempted, just this once, to take the money and run.



Well, we clearly have opposite definitions of what an honest person is.


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