Ford Mustang GTD achieves sub-seven-minute Nurburgring lap
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Originally posted by trapper189:
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Originally posted by KSGM:
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These cars are naturally aspirated.
Thank you for emphasizing this. Though the European and Italian cars that the GTD set out to compete with are probably wearing turbos in many cases.
I’d bet it’s true in all cases for street legal production cars. The Viper and C8 impress me because Dodge and GM did the work and produced outstanding cars that are almost affordable. Ford hired it out and got an outstanding car at a price that says fuck it, just buy a Ferrari.
Porsche says hello, and asks what this “turbo” thing you speak of in regards to the GT3…
December 10, 2024, 12:36 PM
KSGM
Many; not all.
So which cars in that top ten have forced induction, and which don't?
Also, do any have hybrid aspects, other than the AMG One?
And do any have a third pedal and shifter?
December 10, 2024, 12:42 PM
aileron
I had the good fortune to run 5 laps of the Ring as a passenger with Sabine Schmitz (RIP) and her well prepared BMW M5 Ring Taxi in 2010. I don't recall the time, but think it was mid 7's... and it scared the shit out of me. She made hauling the big V-10 M5 around the Ring seem like we were going to pick-up groceries.
December 10, 2024, 12:52 PM
TMats
Pretty effin’ cool
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December 10, 2024, 01:14 PM
P250UA5
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Originally posted by aileron: I had the good fortune to run 5 laps of the Ring as a passenger with Sabine Schmitz (RIP) and her well prepared BMW M5 Ring Taxi in 2010. I don't recall the time, but think it was mid 7's... and it scared the shit out of me. She made hauling the big V-10 M5 around the Ring seem like we were going to pick-up groceries.
RIP Sabine. Was on my list & was really sad when she passed. Love the "I'll do that in a van" TGUK episode.
The Enemy's gate is down.
December 10, 2024, 01:17 PM
DanH
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Originally posted by KSGM: Many; not all.
So which cars in that top ten have forced induction, and which don't?
Also, do any have hybrid aspects, other than the AMG One?
And do any have a third pedal and shifter?
All of them have a paddle shift or sequential shift gearbox.
The Radical has a NA engine, but it barely qualifies as a "car" and more like a Can-Am racer certified for road use. All of the Lambos were either NA V10s or NA V12s depending on model, and the Porsche GT3s should be NA as well.
Only the AMG One is a hybrid.
December 10, 2024, 02:53 PM
KSGM
The involvement of Multimatic and the German driver takes a lot of the wind out of the "USA! USA!" sails, IMO. It's cool to see a domestic brand in that top ten, but It's arguable that the car itself, and certainly it's driver, aren't really "Murican".
Of the six drivers of the two Ford/Multimatic cars on the 2016 LeMans podium, only one was from the US. He was in the first place car at least. Another driver of that first place LeMans FordGT drove the GTD.
I see where the critics are coming from. The Yanks didn't exactly kick the door in and lay down an unexpected sub-seven lap. They hired some Canucks to build a car that they hired a Kraut to drive.
December 10, 2024, 04:49 PM
Prefontaine
Porsche does it much quicker and less expensive. What a nothing burger. Ring times are fodder anyways. More for the internet than reality. More for marketing than reality. This thing was only built for 5.0 sales.
KSGM is right.
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December 11, 2024, 07:18 AM
Blackmore
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Originally posted by P250UA5:
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Originally posted by aileron: I had the good fortune to run 5 laps of the Ring as a passenger with Sabine Schmitz (RIP) and her well prepared BMW M5 Ring Taxi in 2010. I don't recall the time, but think it was mid 7's... and it scared the shit out of me. She made hauling the big V-10 M5 around the Ring seem like we were going to pick-up groceries.
RIP Sabine. Was on my list & was really sad when she passed. Love the "I'll do that in a van" TGUK episode.
RIP Sabine 5:42 "You need a good bra here"
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December 11, 2024, 08:23 AM
DanH
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Originally posted by KSGM: The involvement of Multimatic and the German driver takes a lot of the wind out of the "USA! USA!" I see where the critics are coming from. The Yanks didn't exactly kick the door in and lay down an unexpected sub-seven lap. They hired some Canucks to build a car that they hired a Kraut to drive.
Blame NASCAR. The development leagues for American road racers are practically non-existent, so Ford used it's WEC/IMSA drivers (most being European) for development.
December 11, 2024, 04:43 PM
alreadydead
Nice video, thank you for posting
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July 28, 2025, 01:41 PM
Orguss
Ford CEO Jim Farley presents Jay Leno with his Mustang GTD:
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July 28, 2025, 04:24 PM
.38supersig
If I roll a few more pennies, I can get a Sperling...
July 28, 2025, 05:00 PM
pillboxesghost
Looking at the sub-7 second lap list; it should be obvious that Porsche SERIOUSLY makes fast sports cars.
They do not make pick-up trucks, nor need to hire outside help to create "one off" pretenders!
I daily drove a Porsche 930 (911 Turbo) so I'm somewhat prejudiced. At 82, I miss those days!
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July 29, 2025, 12:02 AM
Speedbird
Nice. Cool to see an American car that looks like a car and costs less than most homes be competitive. I'm sure maintenance is only a fraction also. The Jay Leno videos like this are always worth watching.
That MB AMG One is just sick. By no means a production car and these kind of "Cars" really need their own class. The MB site for the AMG One is very good... Basically as close as you could possibly get to a modern F-1. The engine... OMG! Just like the F-1 "Power Packs" electric motors to spool up the turbo then operate them inversely to charge the capacitors and battery. Amazing
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July 29, 2025, 12:16 AM
Speedbird
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Originally posted by DanH: [QUOTE]Originally posted by KSGM: Many; not all. ...The Radical has a NA engine, but it barely qualifies as a "car"...
Agreed ^ I see them pass thru at work from time to time... 100% they are by no stretch of the imagination a car, more like a big-boy, $$$$$ go-cart
On a related note, I love this video. Porsche/German [over?] R&D... They made this test bed / dyno to replicate the g-forces placed on an engine running the ring complete with actual map and throttle tracking.
Originally posted by KSGM: The involvement of Multimatic and the German driver takes a lot of the wind out of the "USA! USA!" sails, IMO. It's cool to see a domestic brand in that top ten, but It's arguable that the car itself, and certainly it's driver, aren't really "Murican".
Of the six drivers of the two Ford/Multimatic cars on the 2016 LeMans podium, only one was from the US. He was in the first place car at least. Another driver of that first place LeMans FordGT drove the GTD.
I see where the critics are coming from. The Yanks didn't exactly kick the door in and lay down an unexpected sub-seven lap. They hired some Canucks to build a car that they hired a Kraut to drive.
Ken Miles was English, the GT40's body came from England, does that mean we need to wipe those USA Ford wins off the list, absurd, racing has always had international connections.
July 29, 2025, 04:42 AM
r0gue
It always weirds me out to see Chris Farley speaking in a non-comedic setting. Then you realize it's his brother... Then it's weird that Chris Farley's brother runs Ford. Wild!
July 29, 2025, 05:21 AM
KSGM
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Ken Miles was English, the GT40's body came from England, does that mean we need to wipe those USA Ford wins off the list, absurd, racing has always had international connections.
That's true. I commented on that in a different post a while back. The GT40 and RS200 are two of my all-time favorite cars. Both of those Fords are largely English.
I don't leverage it against them that much, but I do think it's worth mentioning. It's not exactly "in-house". Some of the big European brands can probably boast true in-house design/development. My knowledge of racing and it's international connections is admittedly limited though.
RIP Sabine.