Is it worth sending AOC $4 and tell her how much I support her and the good work she's doing? How she needs to be heard telling the truth.

Encourage her to speak her mind. Tell her she's being oppressed by The Man.

It would be nice if the Dems could have a national convention reminiscent of the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

^^^ That just looks uncomfortable.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Is it worth sending AOC $4 and tell her how much I support her and the good work she's doing? How she needs to be heard telling the truth.

Encourage her to speak her mind. Tell her she's being oppressed by The Man.

Yes. Make sure the letter is piteous, but not too piteous - you'll wind up blowing the gag if anyone decides they want to put you on camera.

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It would be nice if the Dems could have a national convention reminiscent of the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

My WAG, FWIW, is that there's one possible route to that happening. Bernie surrendered so abruptly and so completely that the Bernie Bros, as revved up as they are, may decide that utter capitulation without widespread rioting is dishonor.

Yesterday, Biden was on a phone call with billionaire donors and essentially repeated Hillary Clinton's "deplorables" attack line against Trump voters-- the voters that Biden is supposed to be able to persuade to vote for him. The voters Biden needs to persuade to vote for him.

He basically admitted that the only premise for his candidacy -- that he can appeal to the white working class that supports Trump -- is completely false, and that he knows it.

At a virtual fundraiser Wednesday night, Joe Biden laughed off the possibility of appealing to President Trump's base -- and then directly attacked some Trump voters, drawing comparisons from journalists and the Trump campaign to Hillary Clinton's infamous "basket of deplorables" moment during the 2016 campaign.

The event, hosted by Joe Kiani -- the founder and CEO of the Masimo Corporation -- and Sarah Kiani -- a board member of the Masimo Foundation for Ethics, Innovation and Competition -- drew about 55 attendees online, according to the Biden campaign. During a question-and-answer session, Biden responded "probably not" when someone asked if he could win over Trump supporters, and then he launched into a scathing critique.

“There are people who support the president because they like the fact that he is engaged in the politics of division," Biden said. "They really support the notion that, you know, all Mexicans are rapists and all Muslims are bad and... dividing this nation based on ethnicity, race. This is the one [sic] of the few presidents who succeeded by deliberately trying to divide the country, not unite the country.”

Trump's campaign fired back on Thursday.

"Biden reveals his disdain for certain Americans burns just as hot as Hillary’s," the Trump campaign said in a statement as Biden's comments circulated. The campaign accused Biden of calling "working-class voters racist, xenophobic and Islamophobic."

BIDEN: "Um, you know, there's a uh, during World War... Two, uh, you know, where Roosevelt came up with a thing that uh, you know, was totally different than a, than the, the, it's called, he's called it a, you know, the World War Two, he had the World, the War Production Board."

Maybe he thinks that constitutes throwing a bone to the Bernie Bros?

Or, yeah, maybe he's just an idiot. We'll know when we see the footage of him campaigning in the Midwest.

Yeah go get'em Biden! Keep talking you blithering babbling idiot, You instill confidence in me with every word you speak.....

Just imagine him standing in front of the press everyday for 1-2hrs at a time like Trump does taking it from every direction and all comers.

Biden is already fried and no way he would be able to exit the presser on his own. He would freeze up and shut completely down and start crying "I Want My Mommy"

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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa:
Yeah go get'em Biden! Keep talking you blithering babbling idiot, You instill confidence in me with every word you speak.....

Just imagine him standing in front of the press everyday for 1-2hrs at a time like Trump does taking it from every direction and all comers.

Biden is already fried and no way he would be able to exit the presser on his own. He would freeze up and shut completely down and start crying "I Want My Mommy"

True. But the mainstream media will glorify Biden, overlook his shortcomings, present him as a hero.

I don’t know whether to be really disappointed or relieved that all this Coronavirus theatre will likely preclude any debates between President Trump and Creepy Creaky Uncle Joe.

On the one hand, one can only imagine that the President would eviserate this senile old fool.

On the other hand, it might seem too much like clubbing baby seals and come off as elder abuse.

It kinda reminds of that grade school expression from so many years ago, “I won’t get into a battle of wits with you as I don’t believe in fighting an unarmed man.”

Well, maybe the riot's not off after all...

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[/b]Biden Looks To Placate Sanders By Letting Him Keep Delegates[/b]
Stephen Ohlemacher, AP, 4/17/2020

Seeking to avoid the bitter feelings that marred the 2016 Democratic convention, Joe Biden's campaign is angling to allow Bernie Sanders to keep some of the delegates he would otherwise forfeit by dropping out of the presidential race.

Under a strict application of party rules, Sanders should lose about a third of the delegates he's won in primaries and caucuses as the process moves ahead and states select the actual people who will attend the Democratic National Convention. The rules say those delegates should be Biden supporters, as he is the only candidate still actively seeking the party's nomination.

Quiet talks between the two campaigns center on allowing Sanders to keep some of his delegates, essentially a goodwill gesture from a presumptive nominee seeking to court Sanders' progressive supporters and unite the party. It is not yet settled how many.

"We feel strongly that it is in the best interest of the party to ensure that the Sanders campaign receives statewide delegates to reflect the work that they have done to contribute to the movement that will beat Donald Trump this fall," said a Biden official, who wasn't authorized to discuss private negotiations publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. "We are in discussion with them now on how to best accomplish that."

Sanders' campaign declined to comment on the talks. "Nothing to add from us," said Sanders spokesman Mike Casca.

In some ways, the delegate count is a moot point. While he has yet to formally win the 1,991 delegates needed to claim the Democratic nomination on the first ballot at the party convention, Biden is the Democrats' presumptive nominee. All of his rivals - including Sanders - have endorsed him after ending their own campaigns.

But with the nomination essentially decided, who has how many delegates takes on a new meaning. In 2016, rowdy Sanders supporters booed some speakers and any mention of nominee Hillary Clinton at the party's Philadelphia convention. The disruptions were so embarrassing to the party that Sanders pleaded with his supporters to not stage protests on the floor.

By claiming the delegates that ought to belong to him under party rules, Biden could cut down on the number of Sanders' backers - some of whom have been slow to embrace the former vice president - who could stage a replay of that divide. Instead, he's decided to try to attract Sanders' supporters rather than silence them.

For his part, Sanders wants as many delegates as possible to help shape the party's platform and get Biden and the Democratic Party to embrace his democratic socialist agenda.

Excerpt; original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/bide...tting-235901912.html

Biden knows he can't win without the Bernie Bros, and I'm sure the Bernie Bros have long assumed that to be true anyway (insurgent political movements are like that). Bernie Bros will be on the floor, which means they will hiss, interrupt and heckle because bird's gotta swim, fish's gotta fry, etc. Bernie will repeatedly ask them to shush just as he had to over and over again in 2016 before he began to get anything like an appreciable effect because Bernie's got a fantasy life of his own.

Now's when I'm gonna sit up. It seems pretty obvious that Bernie isn't going to run for the Presidency again, so any arguments for restraint that the Bernie Bros might have heeded four years ago are going to be pretty much irrelevant now. Biden's backers, whatever Biden's intent, are going to assume that because they have the votes they can get away with throwing the Bernie Bros a bone or two.

Will the Bernie Bros settle for a bone or two? Or will they give in to the temptation to punish the Dems with a riot on the theory that intimidation resulting from that riot will serve them if they find a candidate to push in the Dem primaries in 2024? All I know is that if I were on that floor I'd stay reeeal close to a fire extinguisher and I'd advise Bernie to read up on the history of one Lord George Gordon.

I am very much looking forward to seeing Bumbling Biden on stage with Trump. Going to be VERY entertaining. Then again the dems (knowing it will be a gaff disaster) will do whatever to keep any debates from happening. Don't want to spread the virus don't you know....LOL.

Count on there being plenty of interruptions from the (Dem) crowd.

I just have to repeat something I heard Dennis Miller say recently. And I'm paraphrasing, if anyone thinks the fix to this thing is Biden, he or she needs to look within a little deeper because not only has Biden lost his fastball and his curveball and his slider, he's also wearing his cup as an N95 mask he's so freaking out of it right now.

People keep referring to a presumed debate between the President and the bumbler, but what reason is there to believe that such a debate will take place? What benefit would it be to the Dems at this point to permit that to happen? Although debates have long been traditional features of campaigns, why would/could they not just say, "No"? Whom would they influence to vote differently by doing that?

^^^ The short answer to your question is "people who make up their minds at the last minute, and on the basis of little (if any) information."

Logically you're right. But debates have been such a feature of presidential elections for so long that if either Trump or Biden outright refuses to participate then they're subject to being labeled a coward, a loser, etc. in a way that tends to be credible to people who only follow political races in the last week or two of the campaign. Historically a candidate would have to have one hell of a lead or be far behind the other in order to be able to duck out of a debate without taking damage at the polling booth. The coronavirus may change that, but a "teledebate" could still be held pretty easily - barring the possibility that the candidates set up their own equipement, of course.

Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said in a new interview that he would have no hesitation picking former first lady Michelle Obama to be his running mate, but added that he doubts she is interested in the position.

“I’d take her in a heartbeat,” Biden told Pittsburgh’s KDKA on Monday when asked if he’d choose Obama if she said she would be willing to be on the ticket with him.

“She’s brilliant. She knows the way around. She is a really fine woman. The Obamas are great friends,” Biden added.

Biden, however, said that he doesn’t think she is interested in the position.

“I don’t think she has any desire to live near the White House again,” he said.

Biden said he’s still in the process of deciding whom to pick. He again committed that his running mate will be a woman, but did not commit that his running mate will be a woman of color.

“I’ll commit to that [it will] be a woman because it is very important that my administration look like the public, look like the nation. And there will be, committed that there will be a woman of color on the Supreme Court, that doesn’t mean there won’t be a vice president, as well,” Biden said.

The former vice president, who served under former President Barack Obama, has previously said that he would like Michelle Obama as his running mate.

https://thehill.com/homenews/c...-mate-in-a-heartbeat

Anyone who thinks Michelle Obama's gonna come back to play second fiddle to a senile old white dude is smoking the good stuff.

I didn't hear the whole exchange or even the context, but Joe Biden was recently talking about the governor of Pennsylvania Tom Wolf saying that he would use science to make decisions, blah blah blah.

Anyway, Biden kept calling the governor Dale. Dale? Who the hell is Dale? Well, turns out that Dale Wolf used to be the Lt. Governor of Delaware from 89-92 (and then the governor for a mere 3 weeks).

Biden has unquestionably lost his mind. He's mixing up governors in his head who have the same last name but are separated by a span of 30 years.

Good luck finding it on Google though as they seem to be hiding it pretty well.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Anyone who thinks Michelle Obama's gonna come back to play second fiddle to a senile old white dude is smoking the good stuff.

Do you think Biden is even going to make it to election day? Whoever's the VP choice will essentially be the dem Presidential nominee.

How the Obamas could easily win eight more years in the White House

By Michael A. Walsh

Michelle Obama is currently even more popular in America than her husband Barack.

As the president of the United States shelters in place with the White House press corps, and Joe Biden gibbers senselessly into the GoPro camera in his Delaware basement, this fall’s national election has been thrown into a cocked tricorn by the coronavirus. Many of Donald Trump’s retail-politicking strengths — the huge rallies, his command of crowds — have been neutralized, and while he still has control of the narrative from his bully pulpit in the West Wing, the national media remains dead set against him, and puts the worst possible spin on every word he speaks.

Meanwhile, Biden and his wandering hands are safely confined to quarters instead of out on the campaign trail, which shields the Democrats from more possible fallout over not only his past behavior but his full-throated endorsement of Communist China throughout his career. The donkey party is thus free to market the cardboard-cutout version of its candidate, having finally accomplished their mission of running a generic Democrat against Orange Man Bad, without ever having to expose him to the general public.

No wonder there’s talk on the Left of canceling the conventions and running an all-mail election. The further away the country stays from reopening, the better their chances.

Still, as 2016 demonstrated, even when the fix is in, you never know. What the Democrats need in order to be sure of beating Trump is the perfect vice presidential candidate, one who will not only balance the ticket, push progressive causes, and check all the social-justice boxes but who will turn out the African American vote in droves without Biden’s having to say a word or lift a finger.

Biden’s already on record as saying he’ll choose a woman. But none of the defeated female candidates for the nomination, including Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar, excited much interest from the Democratic base during the primaries, and while there’s a small Stacey Abrams boomlet currently going on, her record as the defeated candidate for Georgia governor doesn’t inspire much confidence — even if, in her own mind, she still thinks she won.



Adding Michelle Obama to Biden’s presidential bid would be an unstoppable ticket, and potentially give the Obamas eight more years in the White House. Getty Images

So the choice is clear: Michelle Obama. Never mind that she has even less political experience than Hillary Clinton did when she ran for the White House, and has long said she disdains public office.

Currently, Michelle is in talks to possibly endorse Biden via a video and is said to be lending her name to a campaign fundraiser as early as next week, according to The Hill. “If she engages, God help Donald Trump, because she’s tough as nails and enormously popular,” former Democratic Party chairman of South Carolina Dick Harpootlian told the outlet. With her husband finally having endorsed Biden last week, the stage is now set.

Here’s how it would work:

In the next month or so, Biden would announce Michelle Obama as his running mate. With a little reverse engineering of the Obama-Biden bumper stickers of 2008 and 2012, they’re good to go.
Michelle would immediately attract the undying worship of the national press corps. With the country still in lockdown, she can wave to Andrea Mitchell & Co. from the front door of her residences in Washington, DC ($8.1 million purchase price), Martha’s Vineyard ($11.75 million) or Chicago ($1.65 million).
Barack Obama, who manfully supports his wife in all her endeavors, would joke about being the First Husband and cite his familiarity with the White House as a qualification.
Nov. 3: With the black vote and the Bernie Sanders wing of the party solidly behind them, the Biden-Obama(s) team would defeat Trump in both the popular vote and the Electoral College, flipping Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and North Carolina and winning both houses of Congress.
Jan. 20, 2021: Joe Biden is inaugurated as the 46th president of the United States.
Jan. 21: On live television, Joe and Dr. Jill Biden tearfully announce that the 78-year-old president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” and that under the 25th Amendment, he’s resigning. Michelle Obama is now president of the United States and will not only fill out Biden’s term but will retain her eligibility to run again in her own right in 2024 when she will have turned 60.
Jan. 22: President Obama announces her choice for vice president …

However unlikely, it’s the smart play. How could the Republicans ever counter it?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/18/...-in-the-white-house/

You beat me to it, sir!

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said in a new interview that he would have no hesitation picking former first lady Michelle Obama to be his running mate, but added that he doubts she is interested in the position.

“I’d take her in a heartbeat,” Biden told Pittsburgh’s KDKA....
“She’s brilliant. She knows the way around. She is a really fine woman. The Obamas are great friends,” Biden added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/c...-mate-in-a-heartbeat

I take him at his word(s)....No one should doubt 'Creepy Joe' for a second!