The guy on the far right of the stage,(Delany?), was in favor of healthcare for all but wanted the option to buy private medical insurance also and DeBlasio freaked out at the idea. I don't think we will be seeing DeBlasio down at the People's Healthcare Commissariat as we are waiting in the long line for our sub par medical care.
June 26, 2019, 10:26 PM
bald1
I watched the movie Enemy At The Gates instead.
Similarities noted!
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June 26, 2019, 10:27 PM
Kasinefect
The guy from Ohio was lamenting the fact that there was a public perception of the Democrat Party being a party of coastal and Ivy League elitists who really did not care what happened to the ordinary working man or woman who built the country. As he was outnumbered 10 to 1 I suspect that he will not be heard from very much and the party will pressure him to drop out.
June 26, 2019, 10:43 PM
flashguy
quote:
Booker: "If you need license to buy and drive car, you need license to own a firearm. We need 50 votes in the senate to pass an aggressive agenda."
Sorry, Cory--there is nothing in the Constitution as Amended that protects a right to own or drive a car--there are provisions to protect a right to keep and bear arms.
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Texan by choice, not accident of birth
June 26, 2019, 10:59 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by flashguy:
quote:
Booker: "If you need license to buy and drive car, you need license to own a firearm. We need 50 votes in the senate to pass an aggressive agenda."
Sorry, Cory--there is nothing in the Constitution as Amended that protects a right to own or drive a car--there are provisions to protect a right to keep and bear arms.
flashguy
Just once I'd like to see someone press Booker with the following question. What does "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" actually mean? No, not what government thinks it means, but what do the actual words mean given they're found no where else in the Constitution related to any other recognized right. Would be really fun watching him stumble and bumble all over that one. And he would...
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June 26, 2019, 11:02 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by kimber1911:
quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal: Any feedback on how Gabbard did? She's at least somewhat rational at times on some issues. As such she probably got shut down tonight.
Wow, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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June 26, 2019, 11:14 PM
lbj
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June 27, 2019, 04:07 AM
MarkK
quote:
Originally posted by flashguy: [QUOTE]Booker: "If you need license to buy and drive car, you need license to own a firearm...."
As a legal gun owner from Europe I can tell you first hand:
You better don't let it happen... When you need a formal license to buy and keep a firearm - that's where your trouble begins.
June 27, 2019, 06:34 AM
Bassamatic
The wife and I agreed last night that we would force ourselves to watch at least 15 minutes of the debate. It was rough. Not sure if we will do it again.
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June 27, 2019, 06:36 AM
maximus_flavius
quote:
Originally posted by MarkK:
quote:
Originally posted by flashguy: [QUOTE]Booker: "If you need license to buy and drive car, you need license to own a firearm...."
As a legal gun owner from Europe I can tell you first hand:
You better don't let it happen... When you need a formal license to buy and keep a firearm - that's where your trouble begins.
something something a permit system is made to deny
June 27, 2019, 06:50 AM
gearhounds
quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
quote:
Originally posted by kimber1911:
quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal: Any feedback on how Gabbard did? She's at least somewhat rational at times on some issues. As such she probably got shut down tonight.
Wow, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing.
What this clearly shows is that the people crowd in the crowd were hand picked leftists. Gabbard got the least amount of applause and crowd support, but somehow leads in the above standings.
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June 27, 2019, 07:01 AM
chellim1
quote:
What this clearly shows is that the people crowd in the crowd were hand picked leftists. Gabbard got the least amount of applause and crowd support, but somehow leads in the above standings.
Right, but also take into account that "the above standings" is an unscientific instant Drudge poll. The people who hit Drudge are probably not representative of the Dem. primary electorate.
Still, GABBARD's lead in the DRUDGE POLL has only grown larger since 11:05 pm when I think there were around 60K Total Votes:
**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE FIRST DEM PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?
TULSI GABBARD 45.03% (48,963 votes)
ELIZABETH WARREN 11.15% (12,121 votes)
JOHN DELANEY 9.6% (10,440 votes)
BILL DE BLASIO 6.96% (7,573 votes)
TIM RYAN 6.15% (6,684 votes)
AMY KLOBUCHAR 4.93% (5,356 votes)
JAY INSLEE 4.73% (5,147 votes)
JULIAN CASTRO 4.02% (4,372 votes)
BETO O'ROURKE 3.95% (4,299 votes)
CORY BOOKER 3.47% (3,777 votes)
Total Votes: 108,732
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June 27, 2019, 07:22 AM
sig sailor
I made it through 30 min. and could stand no more. I'll try again tonight, but not likely to do much better. I am always amused at how Presidential candidates are always promising to do something that is not the job of the President. It is almost always the job of Congress, which most are already members,some for years and years and years. LOL Rod
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June 27, 2019, 07:36 AM
roberth
quote:
Originally posted by bald1: I watched the movie Enemy At The Gates instead.
Similarities noted!
Excellent.
June 27, 2019, 08:00 AM
BamaJeepster
quote:
Originally posted by LS1 GTO: Shit show break cause too many mics are working
What really happened during the Democratic Debate Technical Difficulties:
We were out working horses and doing farm chores til about 9:30 last night - didn't even look at anything til I checked Twitter when going to bed.
I guess part 2 of the Free Stuff Olympics is tonight? I won't be watching.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams
June 27, 2019, 08:14 AM
downtownv
quote:
Booker: "If you need license to buy and drive car, you need license to own a firearm. We need 50 votes in the senate to pass an aggressive agenda."
Sorry, Cory--there is nothing in the Constitution as Amended that protects a right to own or drive a car--there are provisions to protect a right to keep and bear arms.
Two of 10 Dem hopefuls raise their hands when asked if they’d abolish their private health insurance June 27, 2019 | Frieda Powers | Print Article
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The first Democratic primary debate showed the marked contrast between the 2020 candidates and it was surprisingly obvious on the question of universal health care.
The 10 Democratic hopefuls clashed on several issues during Wednesday’s debate hosted by NBC, but the response to one question on government-run health care seemed to raise some eyebrows.
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“We’re going to turn to the issue of healthcare right now, I’m really trying to understand where there may or may not be daylight between you,” NBC Nightly News anchor Lester Holt said, noting how many Americans currently enjoy health care insurance through their employers.
“Who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government-run plan,” he asked, adding, “just a show of hands.”
With 10 candidates on the stage in Miami, Florida, viewers may have expected to see a more unified response to the critical question and NBC may have been looking for a dramatic visual moment.
But only two of the 2020 hopefuls raised their hands.
Former Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Julián Castro, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, Tim Ryan of Ohio, John Delaney and Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard kept their hands down.
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio were the lone candidates who raised their hands in favor of abolishing private insurance, garnering a round of applause from the audience.
A discussion followed on implementing a single-payer health care system while eliminating private insurance, with Warren arguing that the increasing cost of insurance premiums challenges families trying to get health care coverage.
“Medicare for all solves that problem,” she said.
She explained that she was in agreement on the issue with self-described democratic socialist and 2020 hopeful, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who will take the debate stage with other top contenders like Joe Biden on Thursday.
“I’m with Bernie on Medicare for All,” Warren said.
As BPR reported, Warren was singled out as the frontrunner during the debate as complaints of favoritism by the moderators poured in on social media.
MSNBC chooses Dem debate favorite right off the bat, but then it’s MSNBC https://t.co/Kg8dr0tdhe pic.twitter.com/cO5Mq7xsbF
— Conservative News (@BIZPACReview) June 27, 2019
The obvious divide among the candidates on the question led to heated debate on stage as many of the other candidates explained their support of alternate plans that would give Americans the choice to buy into a public option, like Medicare, while maintaining private insurance for others.
“To some extent, you’re supporting a bill that would have every hospital close,” former Maryland Rep. John Delaney said, calling for health care reforms which “keeps what’s working and fixes what’s broken.”
O’Rourke’s argument in favor of letting Americans keep their private plans gave de Blasio an opportunity to attack.
“Why are you defending the private insurance industry?” the progressive New York City mayor asked.
While he and Warren were the lone standouts on the issue, some saw it as an important moment that cold work out in Warren’s favor.
“I think this is potentially the most important point so far,” Lynn Vavreck, a UCLA American politics professor said, according to CNBC. “There is some disagreement here on what was asked of them, but I think this will generate a lot of coverage which will be good for Warren.”
But the plan to eliminate private health insurance was slammed as a “radical” idea by the Republican National Committee while the Trump campaign also weighed in.
In a statement following Wednesday’s debate, President Trump’s 2020 campaign said that the Democratic candidates “want to throw 200 million people off their current private healthcare plans, put them into a government-run system that would eliminate choice, and crush innocent Americans with an enormous tax burden to pay for it.”
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