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Max Michel announced that SIG is going to ship the P365 in .380 on Tom Gresham's Gun Talk on Sunday.
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I think .30 Super Carry might replace .380. Would be interesting to see a P365 chambered in it. | |||
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I tried it. Definitely feels different from their other guns, kind of Kahr like if I had to give a like comparison. The trigger breaks well but the reset was long for my taste. YMMV. | |||
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That's the one I was referring to but didn't want to leak until they did. I am quite interested as well and will do my best to track them down. | |||
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I'd be curious too but no sign of it. Just optics ready versions of their other guns. | |||
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QUOTE]Originally posted by Il Cattivo: Looking forward to hearing more about the AimPoint Duty red dot. Something smaller in diameter than the PRO or Eotech is a lot more handy on AK-type rifles, this (MSRP reportedly $499) is a lot cheaper than AimPoint's old H and C red dots, and I'm counting on AimPoint to build something better than the made-in-Communist-China red dots you see on AK-type rifles all the time. So - ANY more information beyond what's in the brochure would be great to have. Date when available would be lovely, since even my cheap self would be willing to gamble at the given MSRP.[/QUOTE] Crap i was just there today. I'll try to swing back by. It's cool if you are just looking for a tiny aimpoint without the battery tube ala compm4 etc. | |||
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The owner of Lucid remarked years ago while touring the red dot factory in China that Aimpoint was being made there. They are not 100% Swedish and haven't been for a long time. Issue optics for military contract are assembled here, yes, it's a legal requirement, but the sporting models may not be. I have a first Gen Aimpoint I bought new, it's still running. When you examine the nature of what a red dot does, it's simple flat lenses, a tilted internal reflector, and an emitter. Compare that to a pair of good binoculars for half the price and you might question why red dots are so expensive. I also have Leupold Yosemite's I got for $85 and recently picked up some Nikon Prostaff 10x42's discounted at Walmart for $40. Good glass doesn't have to cost much. I bought a Bushnell 25 refurb from Amazon for $48 and it's a good optic. Far cry from what red dots were in the 1980's. Does everything better, smaller footprint, better view, batteries available not rare, etc. Flat lenses in an aluminum tube with an emitter. Like some Swiss watches, Aimpoint has built a reputation, it's not junk, but the ratio of dollars for value has a lot of exclusivity built in. | |||
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I agree Tirod. $700 for a red-dot is a lot of $. Aimpoint T and H series products have traditionally been outstanding in regards to quality, but there are companies out there closing that gap without increasing cost.(which is the nature of any competitive marketplace) | |||
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I doubt that. Maybe what he was seeing was Aimpoint fake CLONES being made there for the black market. But I doubt that the Swedish Aimpoint company has sourced Chinese optics. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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I'll be happy to check for point of origin when they hit the retail streets if no one gets a chance to find out at SHOT. AimPoint CS doesn't seem to be picking up the phone today. | |||
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problem is they announced that like a year ago...To be released in Q1 of 2021. Also, problem is they lose credibility when they announce something, go silent on it and then announce the same exact thing a year later as if it's totally new. https://americanhandgunner.com...vailable-in-380-acp/ . | |||
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I call BS. Lucid saying that about Aimpoint would be like the CEO of Ford saying he toured a GM plant and he saw them using asbestos for seat cushioning. | |||
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Update, not only do I want it but I will own one of these unless something weird happens. Very cool little gun, its small but feels great in the hand. They were a very cool couple of guys I talked to in their booth. Great trigger, great feeling gun, basically just shrink down their MR920 and there you have it. | |||
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He's a reputable guy who's been in the optic business a long time and branched out on his own. He posted it openly online and there has been zero pushback from Aimpoint or any of the other companies over the claim. The Chinese make a large number of optics - they have been designing new units and marketing them to the optics companies as exclusives with their brand on them. This industry isn't a bunch of cottage workmen, they supply the Yosemite binos to Leupold, among dozens of other products, including Nikon IIRC. Germany moved there over 20 years ago, I have a Grundig SW labeled Made in China. I worked the commercial hardware supply chain bidding contracts to supply door hardware for large buildings. Stanley moved to China in the 90's, Schlage has their lower line units made there. Thinking China doesn't sell much means ignoring the labels on our cell phones and laptops - they own that market. Iphone tried to pull back some production but the lesser units are still being churned there. I could go on for another half dozen paragraphs, but I will just list brands I know that are Chinese made or use Chinese components: Suunto, Iphone, Samsung, GM, Schlage, Stanley, most of the lithium power tools, Columbia, North Face, and Carhartt. Ford has been using Canadian motors and Mexican transmissions dating back to 1963 - the 289 is a Windsor, Ontario, Canada product. I doubt very much some guy at Aimpoint CS is authorized to discuss Country of Origin and blab to every phone caller who asks. Much like prying into SIG and which parts are MIM from India - they may have been in the spotlight for that while the other gun companies just stepped back into the bushes and avoided the whole incident. They don't make profit selling the truth, their image is their Brand and it is what sells. I picked up a Brownells AR15 parts catalog 10 years ago, one of the first they issued, and they marked every part with the US flag if it could be verified it was Made in the USA. Less than half were. Where do all those AR15 parts come from? There are over a half a dozen production plants exported by Colt and set up to make that country's armaments, they aren't sitting idle. | |||
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Wow the pricing on a lot of the stuff I’m looking at has gone crazy. Was really interested in the Angstadt Arms MDP-9 but at $2500 I’ll pass. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CjGozjY_HvU LMT is also coming out with a nice one but I just saw that is will be $2900. Crazy talk. It makes my Sig MPX seem like a steal and I thought is was a little pricy a couple years ago when I bought it.This message has been edited. Last edited by: 1s1k, | |||
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^^^ I think we're at that awkward stage between the ending of a panic and the beginning of a relatively normal period, where people ask absurd amounts of money for stuff because they don't quite know where market pricing is gonna go just yet. | |||
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You'd be better off putting the money toward a MP5 clone....lots of aftermarket accessories and resale value. Or get a Stribog SP9A3, a bunch of mags and case of 9mm for about the cost of the Angstadt.
...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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I run a MRO on a Midwest Industries handguard for my AK; may be worth looking into. Worked lightyears better than my Ultimak setup. | |||
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Looks like CZ/DW is a no-show at this year's SHOT. Funny that the two firearms I'm most interested in, the DWX and the P210 Carry - both of which are significantly delayed (if you can call vaporware that), the manufacturers aren't present at SHOT.  | |||
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