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Maybe ten or fifteen years ago, I knew a married couple who had a daughter in nursing school. I think the daughter was about 22, she was an honor student. She and a friend had gone to a late movie and were on their way back to their quarters. A Sheriff's Deputy waved them down and had them pull off the road, as there was a pursuit taking place. The Bad Guy came along with LE cars in pursuit, lost control of his vehicle, and at 70 mph he slammed into my friend's daughter's car. Both girls were killed. My wife and I went to the funeral. Jim, my friend, never got over the tragedy. He spent the remaining few years of his life lobbying against police pursuit, until he was taken by a heart attack, leaving a widow and another daughter. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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This happened at Lokanotosa Road and Rouse road in 2001 if I remember correctly. I was just returning from work and missed the crash by maybe 5 minutes. I was dropping off a friend at the apartments on Lokanotosa road. What a tragedy. "Clear Eyes. Full Hearts. Can't Lose." | |||
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| I'd rather have luck than skill any day  |
A “no chase” death... Link  Police have arrested a man days after he allegedly drove a stolen vehicle into a woman’s car, killing her on New Year’s Eve. Ryan Solomon, 19, of Lilburn, faces several felonies, including murder, after driving a stolen Dodge Charger through a red light, hitting a Toyota Corolla and killing its driver, 55-year-old Travania Allen, Atlanta police public affairs director Carlos Campos said in a news release. A passenger in the stolen vehicle, an unnamed woman, is still on the run.The incident happened on Joseph E. Lowery Boulevard after officers spotted the vehicle and performed a U-turn to get behind the car and determine if it had been stolen. The driver of the stolen vehicle then took off.The deadly wreck took place at the intersection with Donald Lee Hollowell Parkway about 9 a.m. Both suspects ran away from the scene. The crash happened on Joseph E. Lowery Boulevard at the intersection with Donald Lee Hollowell Parkway. On Monday, Solomon turned himself in to the Fulton County Jail on charges of murder, first-degree vehicular homicide, leaving the scene of a deadly vehicle accident, hit-and-run, theft by receiving, reckless driving and red light violation, jail records show. He remains behind bars without bond.While Atlanta police deny that a police chase prompted the deadly incident, the department announced the next day that it was initiating a no-chase policy, AJC.com previously reported. MORE: Atlanta police chief halts all vehicle chases “Our initial investigation has found no evidence, not received any witness statements, that the officer was involved in a chase of the Dodge Charger, or had activated the blue lights or siren on his patrol car to indicate he was attempting to pursue the vehicle,” Campos said in the statement. “The incident remains under investigation by APD’s Office of Professional Standards.” | |||
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More to above story: Sorry, cant figure out how to insert that twitter video into news story. Very short clip of perp at very high rate of speed. Victim didn't have a chance. Link A woman was killed in northwest Atlanta on Tuesday morning when the driver of a stolen car ran a red light and slammed into her vehicle, authorities said. The wreck occurred before 9 a.m. at the intersection of Joseph E. Lowery Boulevard and Donald Lee Hollowell Parkway, according to the Georgia State Patrol. Matt Johnson ✔ @MattWSB Video shows the moment a stolen car crashes into a helpless, innocent driver in the middle of a NW Atlanta intersection. Police say the driver was trying to get away from officers. Full story @ 5. 8 4:32 PM - Dec 31, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy See Matt Johnson's other Tweets The woman, identified by the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s Office as 55-year-old Travania Allen, was driving a Toyota Corolla when a stolen Dodge Charger ran the red light and T-boned her in the intersection. Allen was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital, where she was pronounced dead, authorities said. Travania Allen Photo: Channel 2 Action News Millie Habtermariam was watching the news when she first heard about the wreck. At the time, she had no idea the crash claimed her sister’s life. “I was actually on the phone and I said, ‘Oh, my God, that poor family — whoever that person is in that car,’” Habtermariam told Channel 2 Action News. “Wrong place, wrong time, wrong second.” Allen, she said, was out running a few errands on New Year’s Eve when she was killed. After the collision, the driver and a passenger got out of the stolen Charger and ran away, police said. Neither suspect has been caught. The car was stolen out of DeKalb County, police said.The GSP initially said an Atlanta officer chased the stolen car before the crash, but a police spokesman said investigators are still trying to figure that out. “The driver of the stolen vehicle involved in the fatal crash sped away from a marked patrol car when he noticed it pulling up behind him,” Carlos Campos told AJC.com. “We are conducting an internal investigation, which includes review of available video, to determine if the officer chased the vehicle prior to the crash.” | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
I could see not permitting “high-speed” pursuits, especially given Atlanta’s traffic. It seems like a helicopter would be vastly more useful, so long as cops can still be used to box people in. | |||
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Helicopters are great if you have the budget and staffing levels which allow for having sufficient patrol units on the ground to box people in. Just maintenance costs alone can run north of a million or two dollars per year and I recall reading that Atlanta's police department was approaching a 20% staffing deficit. That would no doubt impede their ability to routinely set up effective perimeter. | |||
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Imagine Drones will be the norm for the future they can follow and not be known, but I don't see how the no pursuit policy fixes a scared 19 year old in a 400 hp two ton car that bolts based on seeing a cop vs a cop actually chasing him. Looks like the kid saw the police vehicle and took off? The policy wouldn't have made a difference. | |||
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And as soon as the bad guy sees marked units nearby, the chase is on again. Helicopters can be afforded by only a few agencies and they may not be available 24/7. Even if the helicopter is available, by the time it gets into position, the chase may be into another city, then communication becomes an issue. In metro Phoenix, Sky Harbor International Airport is in the middle of the city which is another issue for LE aircraft around that airspace. We had to break off aerial surveillance many times due to entering Sky Harbor airspace. The news media usually has more helicopters in the air than LE. They have been known to assist LE in providing surveillance to fleeing vehicles. But that can be another danger in itself when 3-4 news helicopters are trying to get the story for the 6pm news. https://www.azcentral.com/stor...crash-2007/13258413/ In the metro Phoenix area the trend has been to use as many unmarked vehicles as possible to follow the bad guy at a safe distance. When the opportunity presents itself, a PIT maneuver or 'street jump' by unmarked units and plain clothes personnel may be able to effect the stop.This message has been edited. Last edited by: az4783054, | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr.  |
The good part is after telling the bag of shit that they can now run from the police and get away with it is they also extended the juvenile age an extra year. | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
I agree, sounds like the idiots weren’t even being chased. Saw the cops and took off. Chasing people with no intention or means to stop them is stupid, but it is what most departments do. No PIT, no rolling road blocks, etc. Just follow them until they wreck, get away, or give up. Absolutely stupid. I think the moment a vehicle flees, not just “fails to stop”, but dangerously flees to evade police, driving recklessly, it should be blasted from the road into oblivion. If rockets aren’t available, then rammed off the road as soon as it’s determined to be fleeing. I am dead serious. And the Supreme Court basically supports that idea. Helicopters are good. When they are available. I call for the helicopter every damn night and the pilots evidently work bankers hours. Not enough staffing. I hate pursuits. I’ve been in several and supervised several. With no means to stop the pursuit (and I don’t count stop sticks as a viable means), it’s just waiting for the wreck to happen and hoping none of your officers or the public get hurt. I’m sure the criminals read the news. They do here, where we are limited on what we can pursue to crimes dangerous to life. Cars take off with essential impunity every night. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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I started my career in LE in the mid-1970's, when "ramming" a fleeing suspect's vehicle was okay with the departments that employed me. In the early 1990's, the chief of my agency decided that chasing any suspect fleeing from arrest for a crime where the use or threatened use of deadly force wasn't involved would be a violation of department policy. His priorities were: 1) The Safety of the Officers Involved. 2) The Safety of the General Public. 3) The reduction of liability on the part of the city. It didn't take very long for his "red line rule" to run into problems. In one case, we had two kids assaulted by gang members with bodily force (no weapon seen) and the female victim was believed to have been kidnapped by the offenders. The suspects' car was observed and pursued for a short distance before the offenders decided to pull over, and (afterwards) it was determined that they hadn't taken the girl with them after all. The officers involved made a decision to risk violating the policy, but obviously if things had gone "South", management could/would have disciplined them severely instead of supporting them. In the second incident, an offender attempted to entice a child into a car, but no physical force was used or threatened. The final straw to such an extreme policy occurred when the question came up about suspect(s) fleeing from the scene of a home invasion ("Hot Prowl") burglary, when the safety of the occupants was unknown, this during the time when the infamous "Night Stalker" was breaking into homes in our general area to rob, sexually assault, and kill the occupants. You just can't enact such restrictive policies as done in Atlanta, without severely endangering those we've sworn to "protect." There must be some degree of flexibility to allow discretion on the part of officers and supervisors involved at the time of the pursuit. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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| Banned |
They did that in Milwaukee. It was a disaster. Thefts and car jackings sky rocketed. They have since discontinued that LIBERAL idea. | |||
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From the Chief of Police’s statement: “I don’t want to see us cost someone their life in pursuit of an auto theft person or burglar, when the courts aren’t even going to hold them accountable” Shields said. “How can we justify that?” I believe this was partly a political motivated move to push back on some very lenient judges in Atlanta. Lots of examples being posted on local social media about criminals being pushed back out on the street for inexplainable reasons. | |||
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I suspect that as well. In my opinion, irrespective of any political asshattery within the prosecutor's office and the courts, declaring a complete moratorium on pursuits pending review seems unwise and unnecessary. The pursuit policy in place immediately preceding the moratorium was already quite restrictive. But for the probable political calculations involved, the policy could quietly and easily be tweaked internally without public fanfare by tasking line supervisors to monitor the reasons for pursuits and relevant factors even more closely. | |||
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