SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Tesla - Elon's Coffin Corner
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Tesla - Elon's Coffin Corner Login/Join 
Member
Picture of bigdeal
posted
I can't vouch for the author of this piece, but I think he hits most of the issues I've been watching over the last year or so. I do believe he's a bit deluded if he thinks Elon would ever consider selling Tesla and staying on to work for its new owner(s). There's way too much ego in Elon for that to ever be a possibility. Personally, I'm trying to pick the right point to start shorting Tesla stock.

Read the article and offer your opinion for the following question. "Does Tesla have an escape plan, and if so, what will it be?"

https://theresurgent.com/2019/...n-corner-sell-tesla/


-----------------------------
Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
 
Posts: 33845 | Location: Orlando, FL | Registered: April 30, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Crusty old
curmudgeon
Picture of Jimbo54
posted Hide Post
Tesla's biggest problem is they now have some serious competition with both all electric and hybrid options from large auto companies and the gov. incentives are going away. If I were in his shoes I'd cut my loses and move to some other endeavor.

Jim


________________________

"If you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a horrible warning" -Catherine Aird
 
Posts: 9791 | Location: The right side of Washington State | Registered: September 14, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Nature is full of
magnificent creatures
posted Hide Post
^^That might be boring
 
Posts: 6273 | Registered: March 24, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Lawyers, Guns
and Money
Picture of chellim1
posted Hide Post
quote:
"Does Tesla have an escape plan, and if so, what will it be?"

No.
Tesla is Elon and so Tesla has no plans outside the Elon's head.
The more interesting question is "Does Elon have an escape plan (from Tesla)?"
... and I bet he does, but it's fuzzy.

quote:
Personally, I'm trying to pick the right point to start shorting Tesla stock.

I was short TSLA last year (June) for about two weeks. I couldn't sleep. I woke up wondering what Elon was tweeting now. Elon has a cult of personality. His fans think he can do no wrong and will buy into any dip. It's kind of bizarre ... but it took my attention away from too many other important things. It did pay for a nice vacation, but I spent too much time watching the stock price.

Elon should have an exit strategy.
So should Tesla, but the board is made up of Elon fan-boys.

A couple of points from the article:

Let’s review a bit before Tesla releases its Q1 financials.

- TSLA stock is trading at a massive premium, despite losing 30% of its value since December 2018. Its earnings per share has gone from a profitable $0.84 on 12/31/18 to $-4.19 at the end of March.
- Elon Musk owns 21.7% of Tesla stock, and has personally pledged nearly 40% of his stock as collateral against personal debt. That’s a market value of $4.4 billion. Since 2010, that percentage has increased over 3700%.
- Tesla’s Balance Sheet is a terrible mess. On paper, the company is $1.6 billion short in current assets should its suppliers and creditors call debt. In accounting terms, that’s called insolvency.

Tesla showed the ability to "show" a profit even if based on accounting gimmicks. That (temporarily) was painful for short sellers.

The author is right that Elon should be quietly looking for a buyer of his shares. But... he's probably not, and won't until he has no choice.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
Posts: 24960 | Location: St. Louis, MO | Registered: April 03, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of bigdeal
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Jimbo54:
Tesla's biggest problem is they now have some serious competition with both all electric and hybrid options from large auto companies...

Jim
I do not disagree, but you're talking future issues. The issues/problems noted in this article are past problems that are all coming together at the same time to highlight just how insanely unstable the financial health of Tesla really is.

Tesla reporting big reductions in sales volumes for Model S & X vehicles in the first quarter (i.e. their big margin products) coupled with Tesla being unable to hit Model 3 sales projections, coupled with the freezing of the Gigapower expansion, coupled with Tesla's weak cash position and debt service obligations, coupled with Moody's and Morgan downgrading their positions in Tesla, are all coming together to really bring this to a head.

My greatest fear is, if Tesla and the Gigapower venture go belly up, will SpaceX also fold. SpaceX is the one company I'd like to see survive all of this and continue down the path they're on, re-writing the books on space travel.


-----------------------------
Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
 
Posts: 33845 | Location: Orlando, FL | Registered: April 30, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of bigdeal
posted Hide Post
Not that it wasn't expected.... Tesla stock falls after car maker misses Q1 views.

A couple important takeaways....

"Adjusted for one-time items, Tesla lost $494 million, or $2.90 a share...

Revenue reached $4.5 billion..."


"Analysts polled by FactSet had expected an adjusted loss of $1.15 a share on sales of $5.4 billion for the quarter."

So Tesla was off their market projections by almost a billion dollars in revenue and the per share loss was 2.5 times analyst expectations. Wow!


-----------------------------
Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
 
Posts: 33845 | Location: Orlando, FL | Registered: April 30, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Exceptional Circumstances
Picture of dave7378
posted Hide Post
C'mon, are we really speculating about Tesla's future on an article from The Resurgent? Tesla is up 29% since I bought it and their future in battery technology is looking pretty good, contrary to the article. I had Panasonic stock for a long time and dumped it because it was a non performer. I'm going to hang with Tesla.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
 
Posts: 5960 | Location: Hampton Bays, NY | Registered: October 14, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Savor the limelight
posted Hide Post
Go Dave!

On a side note, I have a framed certificate for 100 shares of Enron.
 
Posts: 12125 | Location: SWFL | Registered: October 10, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
Just came back from a trip to Northern Europe - Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Holland and Germany.

Saw lots of Teslas there, even the occasional Tesla taxi. Appears popular over there.
 
Posts: 2168 | Location: south central Pennsylvania | Registered: November 05, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Network Janitor
Picture of mkueffer
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by deepocean:
^^That might be boring


Or off of this planet...




A few Sigs and some others
 
Posts: 2224 | Location: Waukesha, WI | Registered: February 04, 2012Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of PowerSurge
posted Hide Post
It’s never a good thing when a car company is building cars in the parking lot.


———————————————
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1
 
Posts: 4068 | Location: Northeast Georgia | Registered: November 18, 2017Reply With QuoteReport This Post
half-genius,
half-wit
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Chris42:
Just came back from a trip to Northern Europe - Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Holland and Germany.

Saw lots of Teslas there, even the occasional Tesla taxi. Appears popular over there.


Tesla are doing well here in yUK, too. I see them every day.
 
Posts: 11524 | Location: UK, OR, ONT | Registered: July 10, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Yew got a spider
on yo head
Picture of DoctorSolo
posted Hide Post
I think they will be OK.

Almost every woman I know wants a Tesla. Not every dude, mind you, but damn near every woman I know in her late thirties or older, who drives daily, wants a Tesla of some flavor.

I'm just saying I'm looking around and I see a lot of Teslas zooming around here. And a lot of people seem to desire them.
 
Posts: 5261 | Location: Colorado Springs | Registered: April 12, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Nature is full of
magnificent creatures
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by tacfoley:
quote:
Originally posted by Chris42:
Just came back from a trip to Northern Europe - Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Holland and Germany.

Saw lots of Teslas there, even the occasional Tesla taxi. Appears popular over there.


Tesla are doing well here in yUK, too. I see them every day.


Are the Teslas for Europe manufactured in the US? I'm curious how many plants/production lines Tesla has. Does the EU have unified safety/emission requirements, or are they different for each country?
 
Posts: 6273 | Registered: March 24, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of bigdeal
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Almost every woman I know wants a Tesla. Not every dude, mind you, but damn near every woman I know in her late thirties or older, who drives daily, wants a Tesla of some flavor.
And how many of them can afford one? I don't think this is a good metric to use to measure the potential success or failure of the brand.
quote:
I'm just saying I'm looking around and I see a lot of Teslas zooming around here. And a lot of people seem to desire them.
Yet again, I don't think that's a good metric either to measure the company's health. Here in Central Florida I see them rather infrequently, which also proves virtually nothing.

Dig into Tesla's financials and you'll find some really disturbing aspects of the company. The simple fact that the stock is trading at a price way beyond its real value, coupled with Tesla playing accounting games to show a profit the last two quarters of 2018, is a very good first indicator that trouble is on the horizon. Then add in the plummeting sales volumes for Model S & X vehicles and Tesla missing Model 3 sales volumes in quarter one of 2019 by a lot, while continuing to have a very bad cash and debt financing position, and you begin to see the bigger picture/problems for the brand.

Make no mistake, I'm neither a Tesla fanboy or a hater. i'm just a realist who looks for trends in financial and sales data while continually reading other analysts evaluations of the company.


-----------------------------
Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
 
Posts: 33845 | Location: Orlando, FL | Registered: April 30, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
That rug really tied
the room together.
Picture of bubbatime
posted Hide Post
His business model is convincing government to give his other companies billions of dollars worth of contracts, which he shuffles around behind the scenes to keep Tesla afloat.


______________________________________________________
Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow
 
Posts: 6717 | Location: Floriduh | Registered: October 16, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
We gonna get some
oojima in this house!
Picture of smithnsig
posted Hide Post
Even when he sells a Tesla, he’s in the hole on the car. It costs more to produce than he can sell it for. Tesla has to figure that out. Grants, subsidies, and sycophants is not a stable business model. Eventually you have to turn a Real profit.

Tesla needs $4.00-$5.00 a gallon of gasoline to survive. He has it in Europe due to taxation.


-----------------------------------------------------------
TCB all the time...
 
Posts: 6501 | Location: Cantonment/Perdido Key, Florida | Registered: September 28, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of Flyboyrv6
posted Hide Post
I have talked to several Tesla owners and they ALL love their cars. I never met one that had negative things to say about them. The level of technology in the cars is beyond anything other manufacturers are doing, the number of external cameras as an example. I love performance cars and the internal combustion engine and hate the idea of an all electric future but they even have me looking.
 
Posts: 828 | Registered: January 20, 2012Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata  
 

SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Tesla - Elon's Coffin Corner

© SIGforum 2024