SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    ? WW2 artifact ? Photo up
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
? WW2 artifact ? Photo up Login/Join 
Member
Picture of Udo
posted
My uncle gave me an item he picked up in a Los Angles antique shop. The story was it came off a post-war building in Berlin that was being torn down. It is a heavy cast bronze plaque that was an exterior decoration. It is 18 inches high and 11 inches wide. I any of you have any ideas or first hand information it will be appreciated.
[/URL]
 
Posts: 1763 | Location: Middle Tennessee | Registered: January 28, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of Udo
posted Hide Post
finally got the photo up.
 
Posts: 1763 | Location: Middle Tennessee | Registered: January 28, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Get my pies
outta the oven!

Picture of PASig
posted Hide Post
The Eagle is a German symbol for sure but this doesn’t look Germanic in style to me.

Looks more American to be honest.


 
Posts: 35040 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Lead slingin'
Parrot Head
Picture of Modern Day Savage
posted Hide Post
I agree. The eagle, plus the 5 pointed star, would seem to be more of an American symbol.

I suspect the stylized "D" on the eagle's breast might be the key to IDing it.
 
Posts: 7324 | Location: the Centennial state | Registered: August 21, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of Udo
posted Hide Post
quote:
I suspect the stylized "D" on the eagle's breast might be the key to IDing it.

That symbol is "4D" entwined.
 
Posts: 1763 | Location: Middle Tennessee | Registered: January 28, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Lead slingin'
Parrot Head
Picture of Modern Day Savage
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Udo:
quote:
I suspect the stylized "D" on the eagle's breast might be the key to IDing it.

That symbol is "4D" entwined.


Thanks. I wasn't sure if the "4" was intentional or just an unintentional resemblance.
 
Posts: 7324 | Location: the Centennial state | Registered: August 21, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Freethinker
Picture of sigfreund
posted Hide Post
Yes, there is a “4” intertwined with the “D.” Searching for “4D Germany” brought this up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Ds

It seems that the “Four Ds” was an allied occupation program after the war to “fix” Germany: demilitarisation, denazification, decentralisation, and democratization. It had been agreed to by the allies at the Potsdam conference. I wonder if the plaque could have been the symbol of an allied organization responsible for overseeing the program. The 4D would fit as would the more American or other symbolism.

Added: My curiosity piqued, I tried a Google image search with no similar images found.
I can say that many US military organizations have developed emblems/insignia for specialized organizations that were then produced locally. The size and quality of the one pictured would have made it an expensive undertaking, but not impossible.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: sigfreund,




6.4/93.6
___________
“We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.”
— George H. W. Bush
 
Posts: 47854 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
Denazification. That’s not a word you see every day.
 
Posts: 7540 | Location: Florida | Registered: June 18, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Get my pies
outta the oven!

Picture of PASig
posted Hide Post
It’s very Art Deco looking to me, like something that would have been put on the Empire State Building in the 1930’s or 1940’s.


 
Posts: 35040 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
7.62mm Crusader
posted Hide Post
This is a Coat of arms for someone or some where. Interesting as it has a shield and, where most eagles have arrows or a weapon, sword in their talons, this seems to have arrow fletches behind the star. I honestly cannot locate this symbol. BTW, one of its talons is broken off.
 
Posts: 17999 | Location: The Bluegrass State! | Registered: December 23, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
Looks like the symbol on the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, Pittsburg branch. There are some minor differences though.
 
Posts: 236 | Location: Florida | Registered: July 07, 2016Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Fighting the good fight
Picture of RogueJSK
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by ltz400:
Looks like the symbol on the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, Pittsburg branch.


It sure does... Same 4D symbol. ("4D" for the Federal Reserve's 4th District.)

So this bronze eagle plaque is likely a decoration taken from a Federal Reserve building in/around Ohio that was torn down or remodeled.

 
Posts: 33298 | Location: Northwest Arkansas | Registered: January 06, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of Udo
posted Hide Post
Wow! There sure is a family resemblance between these two. The only problem encountered so far is that sources indicate that the building was completed in 1923 and no indication the exterior has been modified. But there is a chance this plaque was an interior decoration.
 
Posts: 1763 | Location: Middle Tennessee | Registered: January 28, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Freethinker
Picture of sigfreund
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by ltz400:
Looks like the symbol on the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, Pittsburg branch.


That seems pretty conclusive. I cannot imagine that the two are so similar by unrelated coincidence.




6.4/93.6
___________
“We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.”
— George H. W. Bush
 
Posts: 47854 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
The sculptors name is Henry Hering. There is a lot of info on the net about him and his work. The 4D symbol seems to stand for the Fourth District of the Federal Reserve system. The same symbol is seen on another sculpture above the door to the employees entrance on the Cleveland building. I agree this is most likely an interior decoration or a copy. Artists always put their mark on their work, look for his mark.
 
Posts: 236 | Location: Florida | Registered: July 07, 2016Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of Bob at the Beach
posted Hide Post
It reminds me of some background artwork from old black and white movies. Like “The Great Dictator”or “Maltese Falcon”.





 
Posts: 1473 | Location: Boardwalk, Va Beach | Registered: March 10, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of redleg2/9
posted Hide Post
The design is Art Deco from the early twenties.
.


“Leave the Artillerymen alone, they are an obstinate lot. . .”
– Napoleon Bonaparte

http://poundsstudio.com/
 
Posts: 2299 | Location: Louisiana | Registered: January 15, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
"Member"
Picture of cas
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Udo:
...picked up in a Los Angles antique shop.


Reason enough to ignore the story. lol

"Buy the gun, not the story." But it applies to most anything.
 
Posts: 21454 | Location: 18th & Fairfax  | Registered: May 17, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
7.62mm Crusader
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by cas:
quote:
Originally posted by Udo:
...picked up in a Los Angles antique shop.


Reason enough to ignore the story. lol

"Buy the gun, not the story." But it applies to most anything.
At least they didn't tell him it was off Hitlers house. Big Grin.
 
Posts: 17999 | Location: The Bluegrass State! | Registered: December 23, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
Its still cool looking. And now you don't have to worry about Nazis coming after you.
 
Posts: 7540 | Location: Florida | Registered: June 18, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata  
 

SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    ? WW2 artifact ? Photo up

© SIGforum 2024